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Post by warksclaret » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:42 pm

The London media today reporting that following Spurs' Europa Cup exit, if they fail to finish in the top 4 PL place, Mourinho will be sacked. Brendan Rodgers could then become their Summer target. How many more clubs in the PL could Mourinho ever manage-that would surely be his end in this country

Interesting to see how some of the so called top managers react and behave after a bad run of games. Klopp is a different man to 12 months ago, Mourinho looks properly shell shocked at present . Dyche hits a bad run and it does not change him at all in the post match interviews
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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:49 pm

If he wins the league Cup he won't give a flying toss.

Plus, as the spurs fans were saying today on the radio, part of the problem is the players basically downing tools.
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Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:23 pm

Downing tools and living proof that a collection of good players will not necessarily form a good team.

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Post by tim_noone » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:29 pm

Love him or Hate him .....Been fantastic for football and a Proven winner....Love him!
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Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:44 pm

I like the bloke, a proven winner as you say, but not so good when the going gets tough.

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Post by Aclaret » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:47 pm

The Special one ? Nah, not for me.

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Post by NewClaret » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:51 pm

Hope they don’t. PL would be a far worse place without him.

Not sure Spurs can afford to sack him anyhow.

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Post by JohnMac » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:59 pm

Just think of those £millions the poor bloke will get (again) if he finds himself jobless :roll:

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Post by warksclaret » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:00 pm

His compensation package over the years might have allowed him to buy our club

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Post by bfcjg » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:05 pm

Minute 67, go into chairmans office
Minute 69 agree that chairman can let me go to bigger club possibly Barcelona or back to Madrid.
Minute 72 press conference proclaiming how I saved Spurs from relegation and made progress in cup and generally talk about myself.
Morning after, finished talking.

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Post by tim_noone » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:06 pm

JohnMac wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:59 pm
Just think of those £millions the poor bloke will get (again) if he finds himself jobless :roll:
Its only money...

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:11 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:49 pm
part of the problem is the players basically downing tools.
This has started happening a bit too often in Jose’s case. Chelsea, ManU and now Spurs.
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Post by Dyched » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:35 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:11 pm
This has started happening a bit too often in Jose’s case. Chelsea, ManU and now Spurs.
It’s why I think Dyche could never manage a top team. He’s like Mourinho in his working. I don’t want to use “old school” but it’s more that way than the “best mates” type treatment you get from the other managers.

Mourinho said before when he had Frank Lampard at 23/24 he was a man, he could deal with stuff. Players at that age are just babies. The Tottenham All or Nothing shows a glimpse of that. He calls Dele Alli a lazy ******* in training. That was filmed when he first took over and Dele Alli has hardly played since.

That’s the problem working with top players. They don’t have to make an effort because they know they’ll always get offers at the same or similar level. Dele Allis done nothing for 18 months but linked with PSG. Some players give everything for Mourinho, some don’t knowing they really don’t have to.

It’s why the way that Sean Dyche works, works here. None of our players would get offered Premier League contracts on the back of 6 months of not playing, never mind 18 months. Lesser players know if they spit the dummy out they’ll be dropping 1 level. It may also be a reason why he looks into the character of a player so much. A player that has to work to stay at this level rather than simply having the ability to remain no matter how much effort they put in.
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Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:36 pm

He is lost without the money to back him.

He is capable of making good players into a better team, but he can't make a good player a better player.
Everywhere he's been he's bought ready made players, he doesn't bring youngsters through. His man management is truly awful. He has fallen out, eventually, with every squad he's worked with.
Tottenham never had the money to buy Mourinho what he needed, it was always doomed to fail.

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Post by box_of_frogs » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:57 pm

Can I be the first to say Dyche to Spurs.

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:00 pm

Dyched wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:35 pm
It’s why I think Dyche could never manage a top team. He’s like Mourinho in his working. I don’t want to use “old school” but it’s more that way than the “best mates” type treatment you get from the other managers.
Not sure. Every player that has left us speaks so highly about SD, apart from Gibson. I shared a link a short while back of Charlie Austin praising him for keeping egging Charlie on about his fitness regime and not slacking even though they both knew he was moving on and Tripps raves about him.
You are right about modern footballers though. Two camps those who are winners and will give everything they are asked and those who are only in it for the money and want their arse wiped for them. This is why SD wants good characters. The problem with taking on a top 6 job is if you have a squad costing squillions you can’t weed out the bad eggs in one or two windows and as they all want instant success it’s easier to change the manager. Even though it just kicks the problem down the road.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:27 pm

It’s a shame. I like mourinho. And I think he’s good for the premier league.

But for whatever reason it doesn’t appear to be working. Before they played Liverpool at anfield I thought they were nailed on to win the league.

Kane seriously needs to consider his future. He’s in danger of becoming this generations shearer.

Hope mourinho sorts it though.

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Post by elwaclaret » Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:48 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:36 pm
He is lost without the money to back him.

He is capable of making good players into a better team, but he can't make a good player a better player.
Everywhere he's been he's bought ready made players, he doesn't bring youngsters through. His man management is truly awful. He has fallen out, eventually, with every squad he's worked with.
Tottenham never had the money to buy Mourinho what he needed, it was always doomed to fail.
A long time ago I know, but he made his name working with Bobby Robson, so cannot imagine he did not pick something up.
When he was at Porto he brought through some exceptional players and made them the cuckoo in Europe’s nest for a few years

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Post by jrgbfc » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:14 am

I think the modern game has left him behind a bit tbh. His first instinct will always be to park the bus, but Spurs biggest strength is their attacking players.

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Post by Steve1956 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:30 am

Ive just read that Joe Hart is on 52k a week at Spurs,f**k me the world has gone mad!
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Post by CnBtruntru » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:32 am

I take by the Post you mean before someone gives him a Slap :D

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Post by The Enclosure » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:37 am

Steve1956 wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:30 am
Ive just read that Joe Hart is on 52k a week at Spurs,f**k me the world has gone mad!
That is absolutely ridiculous, as you said Steve the World has gone mad..It really is time something was done about the obscene salaries footballers get.I am certain one day football clubs will implode .God I can remember the time when clubs paid the first team squad 20 quid a week. :D
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Post by Steve1956 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:45 am

The Enclosure wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:37 am
That is absolutely ridiculous, as you said Steve the World has gone mad..It really is time something was done about the obscene salaries footballers get.I am certain one day football clubs will implode .God I can remember the time when clubs paid the first team squad 20 quid a week. :D
Crazy..he's back up.

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Post by Dyched » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:52 am

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:00 pm
Not sure. Every player that has left us speaks so highly about SD, apart from Gibson. I shared a link a short while back of Charlie Austin praising him for keeping egging Charlie on about his fitness regime and not slacking even though they both knew he was moving on and Tripps raves about him.
You are right about modern footballers though. Two camps those who are winners and will give everything they are asked and those who are only in it for the money and want their arse wiped for them. This is why SD wants good characters. The problem with taking on a top 6 job is if you have a squad costing squillions you can’t weed out the bad eggs in one or two windows and as they all want instant success it’s easier to change the manager. Even though it just kicks the problem down the road.
That’s all true.

My point was Sean Dyche has always been in a position as Burnley manager where he can be tough.

The players he’s had here, at that point in time was the highest level of club football those players had ever played. Apart from the odd few Crouch, Bardsley, Pieters, Walters. Crouch retiring after that 6 month spell and the others are model professionals which brings Sean Dyches liking of character into it.

What I’m saying is apart from a small select few players here over the past 8 years, no player has been in a position to down tools and not put the work in. If they did they’d drop a level because technically they aren't good enough to remain at the level we were/are just on reputation and quality. Take 95% of our squad now. This is the highest level they’ll play at. Apart from Dwight all here in the peak of their playing years. This limits what players can kick up a fuss about. They’ll be soon in the Championship if they did.

Whereas Mourinho at Tottenham is different. They’ve got many players there that if they did kick up a fuss, their reputation and individual quality will get then contracts at other top clubs quite easily. They’ve always played at this Tottenhams level, some above it. Mourinho doesn’t have what Dyche has and can tell players “Okay, don’t do the work you won’t be playing at this level again”.

If both squads down tools tomorrow and wanted to leave, Tottenhams players will easily find clubs throughout europe that are Tottenhams level or above. The Burnley players apart from maybe 4/5 will be playing in the Championship.
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Post by MrTopTier » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:11 am

Reports in the media this morning suggesting it would cost £25 million to sack him.

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Post by KRBFC » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:26 am

Why surely he will be finished? He did better at Man United than anyone since Fergie, nobody gave him any credit for his work at United, he continued to win trophies and took a bang average side to 2nd in the league. I don't know whats going on at Spurs but they've been terrible and play boring football too.
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Post by jrgbfc » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:33 am

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:26 am
Why surely he will be finished? He did better at Man United than anyone since Fergie, nobody gave him any credit for his work at United, he continued to win trophies and took a bang average side to 2nd in the league. I don't know whats going on at Spurs but they've been terrible and play boring football too.
I wouldn't say United were average under Mourinho. Maybe they'd have been better if he didn't spend his time bullying the likes of Luke Shaw who has proven himself to be an excellent player this season, after Solskjaer has worked out how to get the best out of him.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:38 am

Dyched wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:52 am

If both squads down tools tomorrow and wanted to leave, Tottenhams players will easily find clubs throughout europe that are Tottenhams level or above. The Burnley players apart from maybe 4/5 will be playing in the Championship.
I'd disagree here.

Pope, Tarks, Taylor, Mee, Wood, McNeil, Brownhill, Cork, Westwood, Jay would all interest clubs.
All proven at this level, steady and dependable as a minimum.
Lowton would quite probably attract interest too.

Vydra - someone would take a chance.
Barnes - probably at an age where he may get looked over but someone may want him in the squad.

Any manager looking at our squad knows they'd get a fully committed player if they signed them.

Wood especially has shown he can easily knock in 10 goals a season with the right service and there aren't a massive number of strikers who can do that at a good price.
I think you're doing our players a disservice

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:38 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:33 am
I wouldn't say United were average under Mourinho. Maybe they'd have been better if he didn't spend his time bullying the likes of Luke Shaw who has proven himself to be an excellent player this season, after Solskjaer has worked out how to get the best out of him.
So it's taken Shaw a number of years to finally decide to get his act together, maybe Jose wasn't all of the problem..

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Post by taio » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:45 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:38 am
So it's taken Shaw a number of years to finally decide to get his act together, maybe Jose wasn't all of the problem..
Shaw is playing very well right now. But he has had very good spells at Man United before and of course he suffered significant injuries and has been open about mental health challenges.in the past.

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Post by jrgbfc » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:50 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:38 am
So it's taken Shaw a number of years to finally decide to get his act together, maybe Jose wasn't all of the problem..
I'm pretty sure Mourinho digging him out in public every week when he was trying to come back from a serious injury won't have helped him though.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:51 am

taio wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:45 am
Shaw is playing very well right now. But he has had very good spells at Man United before and of course he suffered significant injuries and has been open about mental health challenges.in the past.
I remember the leg break, that was brutal.
However, he's also had 5 managers now at Utd, so like I said, maybe Jose wasn't the whole problem.

Jose went with the tough love approach, but he left a couple of years ago now..

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:52 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:50 am
I'm pretty sure Mourinho digging him out in public every week when he was trying to come back from a serious injury won't have helped him though.
Jose went with the tough love approach, it clearly didn't work, but he's been gone a couple of years now.

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Post by taio » Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:01 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:51 am
I remember the leg break, that was brutal.
However, he's also had 5 managers now at Utd, so like I said, maybe Jose wasn't the whole problem.

Jose went with the tough love approach, but he left a couple of years ago now..
5 managers???

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Post by jrgbfc » Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:03 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:52 am
Jose went with the tough love approach, it clearly didn't work, but he's been gone a couple of years now.
He seems to make a habit of falling out with people and leaving a toxic atmosphere wherever he goes these days. When he leaves Spurs I don't see him getting another Premier League job.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:09 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:01 pm
5 managers???
Fergie, Moyes, Van Gaal, Jose, OGS.

Unless I've missed one.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:09 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:03 pm
He seems to make a habit of falling out with people and leaving a toxic atmosphere wherever he goes these days. When he leaves Spurs I don't see him getting another Premier League job.
If he wins a trophy at Spurs, which he could still do, then he's proven again that if you want to win something he's one of the go to managers.

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Post by taio » Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:13 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:09 pm
Fergie, Moyes, Van Gaal, Jose, OGS.

Unless I've missed one.
Think he arrived after Ferguson and Moyes.

So that would leave the other 3.

He suffered a double leg fracture under Van Gaal and was on the side lines for ages.

He's done very well under OGS.

That leaves Mourinho.

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Post by nyclaret » Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:15 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:09 pm
Fergie, Moyes, Van Gaal, Jose, OGS.

Unless I've missed one.
He was signed a month after Van Gaal was appointed.

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Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:16 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:38 am
So it's taken Shaw a number of years to finally decide to get his act together, maybe Jose wasn't all of the problem..
I think shaw had a really bad injury which stalled his progress ever since Southampton the promise was always there that he was a quality player, I think mourinho is past his managerial peak still a good manager but won’t surpass the existing achievements already fulfilled.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:21 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:13 pm
Think he arrived after Ferguson and Moyes.

So that would leave the other 3.

He suffered a double leg fracture under Van Gaal and was on the side lines for ages.

He's done very well under OGS.

That leaves Mourinho.
My bad, got the dates wrong oops.

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Post by Steve1956 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:02 pm

Falls out with his players were ever he goes...when that happens you become a dead man walking....this has to be his last Premier League job!
Thank god 👍

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Post by expoultryboy » Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:05 pm

The main problem with the special one , is that the moment things start to go wrong he calls out the players in public and not behind closed doors . This causes him to lose the dressing room . He's done it at Chelsea , Utd and now Tottenham .

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Post by tiger76 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:39 pm

Jose won't be in the Spurs dugout next season, it's not so much the results but more the style of football they're playing.

They possess some of the best attacking talent in Europe, Bale, Kane, Son, and yet JM continues to park the bus, they were poor in the North London derby, and then collapsed in the EL, which is a competition they should be looking to go all the way in.

Poch led them to a CL final less than 2 years ago, and he might well repeat that feat with PSG, so you do wonder who came out better from his Spurs departure.

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