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Lewis Richardson

Post by Local cricketer » Wed May 19, 2021 10:35 pm

Hope he gets a run out on Sunday. Even if it’s in goal.

Sheff U have thrown a 17 year old in who’s done alright but isn’t in Richardson’s league

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by IanMcL » Wed May 19, 2021 10:36 pm

Could well get a game. If Pope not fit, he may as well!

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Rileybobs » Wed May 19, 2021 10:38 pm

I’d prefer us to do whatever it takes to win the game. And if we are comfortable with 10 minutes to go then by all means bring him on.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed May 19, 2021 10:43 pm

Would love to see him given the game. Nothing to lose might as well give him some game time.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by tiger76 » Wed May 19, 2021 10:46 pm

Win the game first and then bring him on in the closing stages.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed May 19, 2021 10:48 pm

I totally agree. Give the lad a game and make it meaningful as in there's plenty of time left to make an impact.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 19, 2021 10:49 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 10:43 pm
Would love to see him given the game. Nothing to lose might as well give him some game time.
I wish he'd been put on instead of Vydra. Would have been a bit of an experience for him.
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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Milltown1882 » Wed May 19, 2021 10:52 pm

Should’ve been the first sub tonight. Stan is the only manager in memory who would give the kids a go in a game like this.
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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by minnieclaret » Wed May 19, 2021 10:56 pm

Watched SheffU tonight same old story. If they score against us I’ll plait fog.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by FCBurnley » Wed May 19, 2021 10:58 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 10:36 pm
Could well get a game. If Pope not fit, he may as well!
Thought he was a forward!!

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by IanMcL » Thu May 20, 2021 2:53 am

FCBurnley wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 10:58 pm
Thought he was a forward!!
Have you seen our other keepers?

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by superdimitri » Thu May 20, 2021 3:21 am

Can't risk it unfortunately. Too much money at stake with the possibility to finish above Newcastle and Brighton.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu May 20, 2021 3:29 am

superdimitri wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 3:21 am
Can't risk it unfortunately. Too much money at stake with the possibility to finish above Newcastle and Brighton.
Genuine question - is there though ? The players get a bonus the higher up the league they finish, I wonder how much that would eat into the prize money for finishing 16th as opposed to 17th ?

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by superdimitri » Thu May 20, 2021 3:37 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 3:29 am
Genuine question - is there though ? The players get a bonus the higher up the league they finish, I wonder how much that would eat into the prize money for finishing 16th as opposed to 17th ?
Not sure on exact figures but they will certainly earn more for a higher finish. I think for us its really the survival bonus that pays out the most to them though.

I'd say we could earn another 3m at least if we finish 2 places higher, half that if only 1.

Its really a sad state of affairs for the English game when you can't give your youngsters a run in because of all the money on offer.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu May 20, 2021 3:56 am

Should have partnered Chris v Liverpool and why BPG wasnt in goal is also a mystery

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu May 20, 2021 4:11 am

superdimitri wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 3:37 am
Not sure on exact figures but they will certainly earn more for a higher finish. I think for us its really the survival bonus that pays out the most to them though.

I'd say we could earn another 3m at least if we finish 2 places higher, half that if only 1.

Its really a sad state of affairs for the English game when you can't give your youngsters a run in because of all the money on offer.
totally agree

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by IanMcL » Thu May 20, 2021 10:15 am

Are they prem class or would we be playing with 10 men?

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu May 20, 2021 10:17 am

IanMcL wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 10:15 am
Are they prem class or would we be playing with 10 men?
Only one way to find out.

What better of an opportunity, against bottom of the league in a game that means absolutely nothing

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by IanMcL » Thu May 20, 2021 10:21 am

I will leave it to the manager. The lad is not exactly prolific in men's football, is he?
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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by bfccrazy » Thu May 20, 2021 11:29 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 10:21 am
I will leave it to the manager. The lad is not exactly prolific in men's football, is he?
Same as McNeil on his first game?

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by IanMcL » Fri May 21, 2021 12:04 am

bfccrazy wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 11:29 pm
Same as McNeil on his first game?
Not necessarily.
McNeil was being raved about. Richardson is developing and showing promise, as far as we know.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by JohnMac » Fri May 21, 2021 6:32 am

He is one on the stars of our group of young players and those who have seen him play know his profile has been shining for as long as Dwight's was if not longer.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Local cricketer » Fri May 21, 2021 6:39 am

IanMcL wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 12:04 am
Not necessarily.
McNeil was being raved about. Richardson is developing and showing promise, as far as we know.
This is a lad that Spurs and some of the biggest clubs in Germany wanted to sign before he signed his contract here. McNeil wasn’t getting that level of attention

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri May 21, 2021 7:21 am

Local cricketer wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 6:39 am
This is a lad that Spurs and some of the biggest clubs in Germany wanted to sign before he signed his contract here. McNeil wasn’t getting that level of attention
Didn’t Westwood in a recent interview say that he is going to be a top player

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by BenWickes » Fri May 21, 2021 7:41 am

Local cricketer wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 6:39 am
This is a lad that Spurs and some of the biggest clubs in Germany wanted to sign before he signed his contract here. McNeil wasn’t getting that level of attention
Indeed. There were a number of so called 'bigger' clubs interested in Richardson even when he was still a schoolboy.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by bfccrazy » Fri May 21, 2021 7:54 am

IanMcL wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 12:04 am
Not necessarily.
McNeil was being raved about. Richardson is developing and showing promise, as far as we know.
At a similar age .....

McNeil was dropped by United
Richardson was getting majorly raved about after scoring 5 goals then a hat trick whilst playing up age groups...... he has definitely been raved about.

With McNeil, when he made his debut - a lot of people didn’t know about him or how he played. Richardson is being tracked by more fans I’ve found
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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Fri May 21, 2021 8:34 am

bfccrazy wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 7:54 am
At a similar age .....

McNeil was dropped by United
Richardson was getting majorly raved about after scoring 5 goals then a hat trick whilst playing up age groups...... he has definitely been raved about.

With McNeil, when he made his debut - a lot of people didn’t know about him or how he played. Richardson is being tracked by more fans I’ve found

Richardson has shown more promise through age group stuff than McNeil did. He’s scored goals at every level (other than 1st team yet) and played for England agegroup sides all the way through.
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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Local cricketer » Fri May 21, 2021 9:35 am

Anyway point stands I think he should start on Sunday. We have to find a way to get him involved otherwise his career could stall
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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by JarrowClaret » Fri May 21, 2021 10:20 am

Realistically we can move up 1 place Brighton should get beat by Arsenal you would expect Newcastle to get at least a point at Fulham. I know Football doesn’t always work that way and you never know but if we look realistically that is it.

For me I would treat the game as a pre season game (sort of) and would play as many of the U23s as i could within reason obviously I wouldn’t change all the team.

Richardson would be a certainty to start for me not sure where though I know he is a striker but would he benefit from a game down the right hand side for instance!

I would look to see if we could use Thompson, Mancini would Mumbongo and Benson (if fit) benefit from another run out off the bench maybe.

I know we will go as strong as possible because that is what we do which is fare enough I guess.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by boatshed bill » Fri May 21, 2021 10:29 am

JarrowClaret wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 10:20 am
Realistically we can move up 1 place Brighton should get beat by Arsenal you would expect Newcastle to get at least a point at Fulham. I know Football doesn’t always work that way and you never know but if we look realistically that is it.
Richardson would be a certainty to start for me not sure where though I know he is a striker but would he benefit from a game down the right hand side for instance!

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If we were to play Richardson I think it would have to be supporting Wood in a 4-4-1-1 type set-up.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Local cricketer » Fri May 21, 2021 10:40 am

JarrowClaret wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 10:20 am
Realistically we can move up 1 place Brighton should get beat by Arsenal you would expect Newcastle to get at least a point at Fulham. I know Football doesn’t always work that way and you never know but if we look realistically that is it.

For me I would treat the game as a pre season game (sort of) and would play as many of the U23s as i could within reason obviously I wouldn’t change all the team.

Richardson would be a certainty to start for me not sure where though I know he is a striker but would he benefit from a game down the right hand side for instance!

I would look to see if we could use Thompson, Mancini would Mumbongo and Benson (if fit) benefit from another run out off the bench maybe.

I know we will go as strong as possible because that is what we do which is fare enough I guess.
Mumbongo is light years behind Richardson. Very surprised he’s got another year. I think he is seen as a project

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Ric_C » Fri May 21, 2021 3:01 pm

I've asked this question before, but no one answered. What type of striker is Richardson? ie who is he most similar to in our squad?

From reports he sounds like a bit of a poacher, but I've never seen him play. What are his main attributes. I'm aware he's only 17 and he can progress his skills, but I was just curious.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by ClaretTony » Fri May 21, 2021 3:16 pm

JohnMac wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 6:32 am
He is one on the stars of our group of young players and those who have seen him play know his profile has been shining for as long as Dwight's was if not longer.
Definitely started shining at a younger age that Dwight's did but not having seen games this season I'm not sure how he has progressed
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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by boyyanno » Fri May 21, 2021 3:30 pm

Ric_C wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 3:01 pm
I've asked this question before, but no one answered. What type of striker is Richardson? ie who is he most similar to in our squad?

From reports he sounds like a bit of a poacher, but I've never seen him play. What are his main attributes. I'm aware he's only 17 and he can progress his skills, but I was just curious.
I would find it very hard to compare him to anyone currently. He's not a player that moves with the ball like Vydra and he also lacks the physique to be a target man. He's pretty much exactly what you have heard- a poacher.

I personally don't think he's ready for first team football yet. There are very few players at Premier league level that are successful as just a poacher and I think getting him out on a decent loan spell and beefing him up a bit should be our next step with him.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by minnieclaret » Fri May 21, 2021 3:34 pm

He only needs to knock one in with his backside to be better than £24m Rhian Brewster.
We need to finish with a win. Full first team to put a smile on our faces for the Summer.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by randomclaret2 » Fri May 21, 2021 3:41 pm

A win could be worth several milion pounds to the club..

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by AfloatinClaret » Fri May 21, 2021 3:48 pm

If other more affluent clubs are showing interest then I think that it's perhaps more important that we give him a decent shot - rather than ten minutes at the end we could start him and if it's not working take him off at half time? - so that the lad at least feels like there's a chance of making the stating-eleven at TM, whereas elsewhere there may not.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by ClaretLoup » Fri May 21, 2021 3:54 pm

It’s unrealistic to start him when he has played 5/10 minutes of league football in a dead game. However a 15/20 minute spell might be more plausible if the game is either lost or won.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri May 21, 2021 3:55 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 3:41 pm
A win could be worth several milion pounds to the club..
it's 6.8 million at stake if we can move up a place (CP posted the list in the MMT)

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by boatshed bill » Fri May 21, 2021 4:15 pm

boyyanno wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 3:30 pm
I would find it very hard to compare him to anyone currently. He's not a player that moves with the ball like Vydra and he also lacks the physique to be a target man. He's pretty much exactly what you have heard- a poacher.

I personally don't think he's ready for first team football yet. There are very few players at Premier league level that are successful as just a poacher and I think getting him out on a decent loan spell and beefing him up a bit should be our next step with him.
Nearest comparable player we have had would be Robbie Blake, in my opinion. 18 years old wouldn't be considered too young for the first team of lots of league clubs

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by randomclaret2 » Fri May 21, 2021 4:23 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 3:55 pm
it's 6.8 million at stake if we can move up a place (CP posted the list in the MMT)
I think its £6.8m difference between 15th and 17th ( i.e. £3.4m per place ) but still a substantial amount of money. No such thing as meaningless matches in the Premier League.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Andingle » Fri May 21, 2021 4:47 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 4:15 pm
Nearest comparable player we have had would be Robbie Blake, in my opinion. 18 years old wouldn't be considered too young for the first team of lots of league clubs
Can see similarities to Blake but see Lewis as more of a Harry Kane type, natural instincts, natural finisher, runs the channels & can hold the ball up well despite his lack of physicality, still learning and a long way to go but signs are positive he's progressing in the right direction👍

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Chester Perry » Fri May 21, 2021 4:54 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 4:23 pm
I think its £6.8m difference between 15th and 17th ( i.e. £3.4m per place ) but still a substantial amount of money. No such thing as meaningless matches in the Premier League.
particularly when you consider we still have to pay £4.9m for the rebate created by last seasons restart - there is still no indication of rebates being claimed this season (though they seem almost inevitable for some of the international rights) or what is being done about the losses on the Chinese TV deals (there is a court case pending over last season's monies, but that does not help the huge loss this season and whatever it may be next season)

EDIT I should add that we will benefit to the tune of circa £2m - £2.5m this season as a result of Fulham and West Brom being promoted while still in receipt of parachute payments
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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by boatshed bill » Fri May 21, 2021 6:33 pm

I think we may as well accept that we will be receiving whatever finishing 17th pays, to be honest.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by buzzclarets79 » Fri May 21, 2021 7:03 pm

If you’re good enough you’re old enough.
Players are getting blooded younger and younger these days, to the fact if you’ve not wowed and amazed everyone by 21/22 no longer a top prospect.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by IanMcL » Fri May 21, 2021 7:40 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 8:34 am
Richardson has shown more promise through age group stuff than McNeil did. He’s scored goals at every level (other than 1st team yet) and played for England agegroup sides all the way through.
I only know that at 16, we thought we had a star of promise.

Still very young to come against hardened centre backs.
That has to be the managers call. If he can positively contribute, he may get some minutes. Plenty of time and we have strikers needed in minutes.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Nonayforever » Fri May 21, 2021 7:55 pm

If I was Vydra and got dropped just to see how Richardson performs, I would be seriously ****** off and would be banging the managers door down having it out with him.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by boatshed bill » Fri May 21, 2021 8:00 pm

Nonayforever wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 7:55 pm
If I was Vydra and got dropped just to see how Richardson performs, I would be seriously ****** off and would be banging the managers door down having it out with him.
It shouldn't be seen as being dropped as such, and he wasn't in the line up vs Liverpool

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 21, 2021 8:08 pm

buzzclarets79 wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 7:03 pm
If you’re good enough you’re old enough.
Players are getting blooded younger and younger these days, to the fact if you’ve not wowed and amazed everyone by 21/22 no longer a top prospect.
Not sure anyone is questioning whether he’s old enough. The big question is whether he’s good enough, and Dyche will have a good idea of the answer.

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Re: Lewis Richardson

Post by Rowls » Fri May 21, 2021 8:14 pm

It's not even necessarily "is he good enough" it might be as simple as "is he big and strong enough yet?"

Everybody develops at a different rate. Shucks! I had my first shave yesterday and I'm 62.

Happy to go with Dyche's decision.

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