Summer 2021 Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

LaLigaClaret · Post by **LaLigaClaret** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:45 pm

I am coming more and more to the view that we do have deals which are all but completed and are in the pipeline but that the club is either unwilling or unable to pay most of the transfer fees fees upfront and need for the necessary funds to become available from a sale to do so. Although it is claimed Tarks is staying I believe he will be sold in the few days before the window shuts. Teams like the Hammers know full well that if Tarks goes on a free next summer they won't be the ones who get him and if they really want him they will pay for him before. We won't get as much as we would want but it will release the funds for us to start to get deals completed. If not Tarks then McNeil will be sold which will give us the money to get things done. If we sell him for £25m then we will have been robbed. We won't get £50m but we could get £35m to £40m plus add ons and a hefty sell on clause.

Most deals will be done in the week before the window shuts so I wouldn't panic about our transfers in yet. I expect a bit of a bidding war for McNeil as there are supposedly a number of teams who are very keen.

Burnley are said to be taking a longer look at Thomas Robert the winger from Airdrie are are thought to be making a move on him.

Liverpool are offloading Ben Davies, Harry Wilson and Ben Woodburn to raise funds. I thought Burnley were linked to Davies and Wilson. Woodburn looked a decent prospect before his injuries. Perhaps we could make an offer to take all 3 for one fee ?

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:58 pm

joey13 wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:15 pm
30 million, aye ok then

that is the figure reported to be taken from club funds the rest is debt and a little bit of cash (that probably came from Checketts and Parra not the ALK three)

so if you think they have taken more out of the club please explain, also please explain how much you think they should have taken for their shares.

Bear in mind the debt was not brought by them, and we have no real indication as to whether there was any worthy bidder with appropriate funds to not use leverage as a means to buy the club and many on here wanted Garlick out. If you know of alternatives to that knowledge I would be interested to hear it.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:00 pm

kentonclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:26 pm
Perhaps we'll fare better with a on-off circa £25m for Dwight.

Or is that destined for directors bank accounts also?

We are led to believe there are 3 share payments outstanding so who knows

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:37 pm

Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:58 pm
that is the figure reported to be taken from club funds the rest is debt and a little bit of cash (that probably came from Checketts and Parra not the ALK three)

so if you think they have taken more out of the club please explain, also please explain how much you think they should have taken for their shares.

Bear in mind the debt was not brought by them, and we have no real indication as to whether there was any worthy bidder with appropriate funds to not use leverage as a means to buy the club and many on here wanted Garlick out. If you know of alternatives to that knowledge I would be interested to hear it.

Sorry I’d forgotten you know everything about everything.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:40 pm

joey13 wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:37 pm
Sorry I’d forgotten you know everything about everything.

So you've no alternative information you can share with supporting facts?

Ok cool, for now though we will stick with what Chester shares on the MMT thread and the ALK takeover thread

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:41 pm

joey13 wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:37 pm
Sorry I’d forgotten you know everything about everything.

People put time and effort in to deciphering the club accounts so people can make an informed judgement on where the money has gone.

The gossip on the Turf, on here and on other social media platforms is not backed up by the facts and realities of the situation

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:03 pm

joey13 wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:37 pm
Sorry I’d forgotten you know everything about everything.

I have never said or claimed that all - in fact I regular seek counter arguments and even say I would be happy to be proved wrong

as for my last post, I said if you know something different to what has been in public domain for some time now, please share it

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:14 pm

Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:03 pm
I have never said or claimed that all - in fact I regular seek counter arguments and even say I would be happy to be proved wrong

as for my last post, I said if you know something different to what has been in public domain for some time now, please share it

Yes apologies, having a bad day

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:35 pm

joey13 wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:14 pm
Yes apologies, having a bad day

Fair play mate, draw a line under it and lets all move on

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:17 pm

Hertha Berlin have bid 8m Euros for Cornet it is expected to be rejected as well under Lyons valuation.

(RMC)

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:22 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:17 pm
Hertha Berlin have bid 8m Euros for Cornet it is expected to be rejected as well under Lyons valuation.

(RMC)

But he doesn't want to play for Burnley.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:27 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:22 pm
But he doesn't want to play for Burnley.

Haven’t seen that?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:33 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:27 pm
Haven’t seen that?

I read somewhere yesterday that Hertha was his preference

clarethomer · Post by **clarethomer** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:35 pm

http://sportwitness.co.uk/clubs-e13m-as ... -recently/

I think it's referencing this article

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:56 pm

He simply doesn't know the beauty of the area he could live in, he will learn, easy to look and learn these days.

claret2018 · Post by **claret2018** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:00 pm

Don’t blame the lad, Berlin is an amazing city

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:35 pm

claret2018 wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:00 pm
Don’t blame the lad, Berlin is an amazing city

Yes but it’s no west penines

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:59 pm

ClaretAL wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:35 pm
Fair play mate, draw a line under it and lets all move on

Cheers , if it was only that simple , I’m done .

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:14 pm

joey13 wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:59 pm
Cheers , if it was only that simple , I’m done .

You don’t sound in a good place mate. I would highly recommend getting in touch with someone. Times can be hard for everyone especially in the current climate.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:12 pm

In response to my earlier quotes. You have to look at the bigger picture. Its nothing about this particular Brighton deal, but everything to do with how much more clubs have around us to spend all-round.

It has changed, and its not the same as it used to be. We now have the likes of Brighton, Leeds, Villa and Wolves throwing cash about. I don't think anyone really condemned it when it was the likes of Everton or West Ham, but now its a whole lotta more clubs that will steal targets from us.

Also Brighton could afford to spend that much money even without selling White. They have a sugar daddy owner like others.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:51 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:15 am
I’m sure they’ll be pleased with Townsend (well as pleased as an Everton fan can be). But the other 2 bench warmers will set them off moaning like a Preston fan

Townsend is very much a Burnley-like signing. He’d improve us, not sure he improves Everton. They think a lot of themselves so I’m. Sure they’ll be fuming about all three

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:07 am

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:51 pm
Townsend is very much a Burnley-like signing. He’d improve us, not sure he improves Everton. They think a lot of themselves so I’m. Sure they’ll be fuming about all three

Townsend & Benitez are meant to get along well back to the Newcastle days, the signings probably don’t improve the starting positions but strengthen the bench in adding options, he’s probably already assessed everything & maybe happy with the 11 but feels improvements are needed beyond that,
to do what he’s already done hasn’t cost a fortune as well.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:52 am

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:46 am
Begovic, Gray & Townsend; wonder how the Everton fans are finding those signings after Benitez?

So Everton sign Begovic and we sign Hennessey - not a lot of difference really is there ?

And wasn't Townsend seen by quite a few on here as a potential excellent signing for us ?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:43 am

Can't imagine Everton fans are too happy* signing James Rodriguez followed by Andros Townsend

*Everton fans are never happy, whine more than most

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:52 am

jojomk1 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:52 am
So Everton sign Begovic and we sign Hennessey - not a lot of difference really is there ?

And wasn't Townsend seen by quite a few on here as a potential excellent signing for us ?

As a general point, I don't think comparing Everton's activity in the transfer market with Burnley's is a meaningful comparison.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:04 am

taio wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:52 am
As a general point, I don't think comparing Everton's activity in the transfer market with Burnley's is a meaningful comparison.

Normally I would agree, but at present they seem to be fishing in the same pool as we do

djemba-djemba · Post by **djemba-djemba** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:49 am

Where has the Dyche to sign a new contract thread gone? I reckon to have looked through the last 3 pages but can’t seem to find it.

I’m sure it will still be there and I have somehow missed it.

Guller Bull · Post by **Guller Bull** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:05 am

djemba-djemba wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:49 am
Where has the Dyche to sign a new contract thread gone? I reckon to have looked through the last 3 pages but can’t seem to find it.

I’m sure it will still be there and I have somehow missed it.

bumped it up to top for you.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:34 am

I see Everton have signed Begović.

Why have they signed a goalkeeper who has been rubbish for quite a few seasons?

djemba-djemba · Post by **djemba-djemba** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:35 am

Guller Bull wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:05 am
bumped it up to top for you.

Thanks, that one seems to have gone very quiet given everyone’s confidence it was imminent...

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:46 am

jojomk1 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:52 am
So Everton sign Begovic and we sign Hennessey - not a lot of difference really is there ?

And wasn't Townsend seen by quite a few on here as a potential excellent signing for us ?

I would say all three would be considered decent signings for us.

My point was more that Everton fans have much higher expectations than us?

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:49 am

Spijed wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:34 am
I see Everton have signed Begović.

Why have they signed a goalkeeper who has been rubbish for quite a few seasons?

To be fair at least he is match ready. Played over 40 games last season.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:50 am

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:46 am
I would say all three would be considered decent signings for us.

My point was more that Everton fans have much higher expectations than us?

Begovic has been completely rubbish for a few seasons. So no, he wouldn't be considered a good signing for us. He's no better than Norris is.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:52 am

Spijed wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:50 am
Begovic has been completely rubbish for a few seasons. So no, he wouldn't be considered a good signing for us. He's no better than Norris is.

I would have preferred begovic over Hennessey. The lad we have signed has featured regularly since 2017

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:52 am

Asmir Begovic, with 236 Premier League appearances and 63 international caps, is no better than Will Norris?

Riiiiiight.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:57 am

Hennessy a good signing as BPF doesn’t look quite ready ( IMO) as full back up for Pope . WH could also easily start if Pope goes ,so good business . Not unlike Everton with Begovic , high quality back up at a bargain price .

As for someone comparing Begovic to Norris

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:59 am

MDWat wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:52 am
Asmir Begovic, with 236 Premier League appearances and 63 international caps, is no better than Will Norris?

Riiiiiight.

That was years ago. On current form he's been poor for quite some time.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:01 am

Spijed wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:59 am
That was years ago. On current form he's been poor for quite some time.

The same begovic that got in the EFL football manager team of the season last season?

Claret_tinted · Post by **Claret_tinted** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:12 am

Spijed wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:50 am
Begovic has been completely rubbish for a few seasons. So no, he wouldn't be considered a good signing for us. He's no better than Norris is.

Football, and having a successful first team, is about so much more than just having top players.

You need people like Begovic, Townsend, to be part of the group and lead and echo the message to the youngsters about the culture the manager brings.

Too many kids, imports, and you lose that very quickly.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:41 am

Begovic was great last season in the championship

But the two seasons before that he was really poor for Bournemouth and got loaned out to somewhere in Russia I think

Hennessey is better than Begovic, but I think its stretching it to say that Norris is better than him!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:52 am

I've always thought that Begovic had a mistake in him.
Can't say I know much about Hennessey, but I would say that plenty on here seeing him as so much better than BPF should probably save their opinions until he actually plays.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:11 am

Potential BPF to Birmingham..

I think it would be a good move for him at a decent level and then see where we are next season, hopefully it bring out his full potential.

https://www.footballfancast.com/birming ... ampionship

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:12 am

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:41 am
Begovic was great last season in the championship

But the two seasons before that he was really poor for Bournemouth and got loaned out to somewhere in Russia I think

Hennessey is better than Begovic, but I think its stretching it to say that Norris is better than him!

Not sure how you can say that. Hennessey has barely played since 2017-18

Begovic went to Milan didn’t he?

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:16 am

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:52 am
I've always thought that Begovic had a mistake in him.
Can't say I know much about Hennessey, but I would say that plenty on here seeing him as so much better than BPF should probably save their opinions until he actually plays.

True, it’s 1 of them whoever other people sign it’ll be criticised & what we sign is the flawless real deal, that’s including a 19yr messi wonderkid to a 35yr veteran defender the roles would even be reversed.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:24 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:12 am
Not sure how you can say that. Hennessey has barely played since 2017-18

Begovic went to Milan didn’t he?

Its an opinion thats all

Is Begovic going as back up or as a No 3?

I think that BPF needs 1st team football, and he's not going to get that here

I think that we need cover for Pope based on the games we've seen when he's not there

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:30 am

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:41 am
Begovic was great last season in the championship

But the two seasons before that he was really poor for Bournemouth and got loaned out to somewhere in Russia I think

Hennessey is better than Begovic, but I think its stretching it to say that Norris is better than him!

Went on loan to that team sounds like carrier bag. You shouldn't be surprised that we have whinges about who our back up keeper is on here though.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:34 am

What a pr1ck Sutton is... Christie...

https://www.67hailhail.com/match/chris- ... -christie/

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:36 am

ClaretAL wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:34 am
What a pr1ck Sutton is... Christie...

https://www.67hailhail.com/match/chris- ... -christie/

Chris Sutton thought septic were the best team in Scotland last season, I wouldn't worry too much on his opinion.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:40 am

ClaretAL wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:34 am
What a pr1ck Sutton is... Christie...

https://www.67hailhail.com/match/chris- ... -christie/

Well he would be if anyone was actually bothered about his opinion. I prefer to think of him as insignificant.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:52 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:36 am
Chris Sutton thought septic were the best team in Scotland last season, I wouldn't worry too much on his opinion.

Tbf, he's not saying anything there that is that controversial

Yes, a move to us would benefit him financially, but not sure it would improve him enough to get the attention of the bigger premier league clubs, and at Celtic (however briefly!) he's playing European football