I might be wrong, but football is a game of opinions. I believe there are numerous other posters that also think he isn’t premier league quality.
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Cornet has to get on against Arsenal, at least as a sub. And you'd expect him to start against Rochdale. I can understand why Dyche didn't throw him on last night.
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Why not have a go at Barnes who was really poor last night ?Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:48 amI might be wrong, but football is a game of opinions. I believe there are numerous other posters that also think he isn’t premier league quality.
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I suspect that had we been three up with ten minutes to go we might well have seen a ten minute cameo appearance; but after 80 minutes last night we were already done'n'dusted and the game had turned feisty, there was no point in risking him getting injured and/or giving him that game to remember as his debut.
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That's why we employ a host of coaches.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:48 amI might be wrong, but football is a game of opinions. I believe there are numerous other posters that also think he isn’t premier league quality.
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SD said “ he’d had 1 session “
This isn’t some high class superstar stepping into a side of world class players . It’s a decent player stepping into a struggling side of aging hasbeens .
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I can't disagree with that, but there are an equal and probably higher number who think he is at the very least adequate and as claretonthecoast noted, he contributed far more last night that Ashley Barnes, whom you haven't chosen to criticise?Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:48 amI might be wrong, but football is a game of opinions. I believe there are numerous other posters that also think he isn’t premier league quality.
Perhaps the early and to my mind accurate post on this thread by dandeclaret is pertinent in this instance: "...there’s a vocal minority of Burnley fans who make snap judgements on players then never relent in giving them a hard time..."
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I gave both wood and Barnes the same rating as Brownhill in my players ratings. However the difference is both of them have proven they are good enough.AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:10 amI can't disagree with that, but there are an equal and probably higher number who think he is at the very least adequate and as claretonthecoast noted, he contributed far more last night that Ashley Barnes, whom you haven't chosen to criticise?
Perhaps the early and to my mind accurate post on this thread by dandeclaret is pertinent in this instance: "...there’s a vocal minority of Burnley fans who make snap judgements on players then never relent in giving them a hard time..."
I also think it’s worth noting that strikers like Barnes and Wood will struggle when the service is so poor into them.
I appreciate the point about snap judgements but this over a 47 game period not 1 or 2 games.
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Mate, wake up. They are not kneejerk. The fact we're having these discussions alot over the last 12 months says it all. We've won 4 out of 24! We just about scraped staying up last year. Don't being so defensive. We have been patient with Dyche and everything that has happened over the last few years under Garlick, no signings policy, etc. I think we have a right to start questioning a bit more. We have made no progress over the last few years, in points, position, players, playing style, etc. The bigger picture is this, how can we improve slowly and gradually.Goodclaret wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:33 amCouple of mentions of "patience" on here. Reading this board and social media it is quite clear this is not in the vocab of quite a few Burnley fans - every game must be a win, every player should perform at 100% every game, apparently. Some players have become s4it overnight. Dyche is now a crap manager. Kneejerk comments constantly outweigh patience and "big picture" outlook.
The detailed knowledge from some fans on Cornet and his ability to just walk in to our team is amazing. I'm being honest saying I hadn't even heard of him before we were linked to him so I'm unsure as to how anyone knows he would have done a job for us last night?
What makes Lennon & Cornet different? Cornet couldn't have done what Lennon did last night for the last 15 mins? He did jack so I'm sure Cornet could have jack too.
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I agree with with Newcastle. He's part of the problem and would never get in another Prem team. Dyche has the skill and expertise to 'fit them in' because that's what he does but as a Prem player quality Brownhill isn't that. Hopefully, last night's mistake will be a good lesson to learn.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:48 amI might be wrong, but football is a game of opinions. I believe there are numerous other posters that also think he isn’t premier league quality.
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Yet Messi was on the bench for PSG for his debut, due to not having been there long enough.
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Dyche’s methods of integrating new players are in the style of his old mentor Brian Clough. I think I’m right in remembering how Trevor Francis (the British record transfer fee) was kept on the bench for the first few games after his arrival.
This sends a message to the player, his new teammates and to the fans. The expectations are lowered, the new man gets time to settle and the perception of “fairness” whips up enthusiasm and competitiveness within the squad.
I only expect to see Cornet eased in as a starter next Tuesday versus Rochdale.
This sends a message to the player, his new teammates and to the fans. The expectations are lowered, the new man gets time to settle and the perception of “fairness” whips up enthusiasm and competitiveness within the squad.
I only expect to see Cornet eased in as a starter next Tuesday versus Rochdale.
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I have also got to say Brownhill does not fill me with any confidence in the middle, a good runner he is but what else is there to his game?
Cork starts ahead of him every day for me, quality passer of the ball.
Cork starts ahead of him every day for me, quality passer of the ball.
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Came on though.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:35 amYet Messi was on the bench for PSG for his debut, due to not having been there long enough.
And wasnt due to not being there long enough at all
Manager likely had a game plan already set out for his regulars even before signing
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Cornet has been brought in to improve our right side of midfield, he is competing with JBG and Lennon for that position. Whoever performs best in training over the next couple of weeks should be in the starting lineup.
Also - imo JBG needs to retire from international football as his fitness isn’t ‘robust’ enough to maintain both international and club football to the very high level which is now essential.
Also - imo JBG needs to retire from international football as his fitness isn’t ‘robust’ enough to maintain both international and club football to the very high level which is now essential.
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Remember Souness throwing his new star straight in and then straight off ten minutes later, complete with a complete loss of the Scots credibility as an astute manager? Weah’s cousin wasn’t it… he was going to be a world beater too, as a I remember.
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Dyche has used the same plan for about 5 years plusclaretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:58 amSo he wasn't there long enough to change the managers plans, you've just destroyed your own point
In this instance he could have changed it up
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But Brownhill's useful to come on when Cork's run out of steam and Brownhill may improve a bit whereas Jack Cork won't; we could all produce a long list of players whom we'd prefer to Brownhill in the line up, but other than those with fading stamina (a la Jack Cork) we can't attract them at a sensible priceSuperjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:49 amI have also got to say Brownhill does not fill me with any confidence in the middle, a good runner he is but what else is there to his game?
Cork starts ahead of him every day for me, quality passer of the ball.
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To be fair that's not quite correct. Good opportunities to score but not.taken as well.as a.blatant penalty claim ignored.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:28 amWhat was positive to say about the first half? We had plenty of the ball but did literally nothing with it.
It's a worrying time at the moment, 2 goals per game conceded already and both Brighton then Everton turning games round in a very short space of time. I personally think Dyche's obstinacy and stubbornness which has served him and us so well may well turn out to be his downfall.
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It is no secret to get the kind of player everyone wants at Burnley have always developed from within, or by players signed in the twilight of their careers (and risk that their legs will last and not always successfully). The clubs player development was dismantled and neglected for years and now we are having to re-establish the method of production to make Burnley ready players. Progress has been made but not even fruit trees harvest grade A fruit with their first blooms.
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Cotterill did the same with Ade.... and what an impact he made when he was let off the leash!IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 amDyche’s methods of integrating new players are in the style of his old mentor Brian Clough. I think I’m right in remembering how Trevor Francis (the British record transfer fee) was kept on the bench for the first few games after his arrival.
This sends a message to the player, his new teammates and to the fans. The expectations are lowered, the new man gets time to settle and the perception of “fairness” whips up enthusiasm and competitiveness within the squad.
I only expect to see Cornet eased in as a starter next Tuesday versus Rochdale.
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How is football a game of opinions?Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:48 amI might be wrong, but football is a game of opinions. I believe there are numerous other posters that also think he isn’t premier league quality.
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I understand giving the player time to settle in, learn the way we play and make sure he's "ready". They need to know the game plan, their role in that and also the expectations required to ensure they are trustworthy to play and not throw the balance of the game in favour of the opposition.
But when you're 3-1 down with 10 to go, why not throw caution to the wind? Why not try something different as opposed to the predictable?
Edit: Dyche's comment on him needing to learn better English is also incredibly cringe.
But when you're 3-1 down with 10 to go, why not throw caution to the wind? Why not try something different as opposed to the predictable?
Edit: Dyche's comment on him needing to learn better English is also incredibly cringe.
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Nothing against the guy just haven't seen him do anything memorable in all his time here apart from that Millwall goal, maybe hes not cut out for this level. Most of our midfield last night were passing to the opposition so its not just him. We need another midfielder that can go straight in and improve the team, if we have to pay good money so be it.AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:20 pmBut Brownhill's useful to come on when Cork's run out of steam and Brownhill may improve a bit whereas Jack Cork won't; we could all produce a long list of players whom we'd prefer to Brownhill in the line up, but other than those with fading stamina (a la Jack Cork) we can't attract them at a sensible price
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If we were 3-1 with 10 to go he definitely wouldn't have got on. He'd have still brought Lennon to keep the shape and shut up shop.AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:01 amI suspect that had we been three up with ten minutes to go we might well have seen a ten minute cameo appearance; but after 80 minutes last night we were already done'n'dusted and the game had turned feisty, there was no point in risking him getting injured and/or giving him that game to remember as his debut.
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Once Lennon appears on the field then any hope of a goal is pretty much extinguished. When he came on last night that was the white flag being waved. Cannot for the life of me see what he contributes to an already ailing system.Sleeping Cat wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:15 pmI understand giving the player time to settle in, learn the way we play and make sure he's "ready". They need to know the game plan, their role in that and also the expectations required to ensure they are trustworthy to play and not throw the balance of the game in favour of the opposition.
But when you're 3-1 down with 10 to go, why not throw caution to the wind? Why not try something different as opposed to the predictable?
Edit: Dyche's comment on him needing to learn better English is also incredibly cringe.
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I can certainly understand using Lennon to defend a lead, say ten mins to go, but not chasing a two goal deficitSilkyskills1 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:42 pmOnce Lennon appears on the field then any hope of a goal is pretty much extinguished. When he came on last night that was the white flag being waved. Cannot for the life of me see what he contributes to an already ailing system.
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Well, he's made two brief appearances and both have been defeats.
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I don’t think Lennon was sent on to recover the deficit, he was sent on to steady the ship and hopefully allow others to regain their composure so they could try.
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The reason why it was unfathomable not to give MC 20 minutes was that he is obviously fully fit and our record over the last 2 years with our subs has been worse than dreadful, in fact, probably the worst record in the history of the club, possibly in the history of any league club.
Over 42 league games since a single goal or assist from a sub. A terrible record at coming from behind too. So something has to change, and here we had the perfect chance.
I get why his English has to improve to start, and stick to a system, but where we were last night was one where we had to gamble and get attackers flying up there. Cornet could have done something, one moment, then we get a bit of luck with that set piece goal and its 3-3. I don’t recall Lennon, Vydra and Jay having many touches (they played 6 passes between them, Jay had 2 shots). We do the same thing we will get the same outcome.
Over 42 league games since a single goal or assist from a sub. A terrible record at coming from behind too. So something has to change, and here we had the perfect chance.
I get why his English has to improve to start, and stick to a system, but where we were last night was one where we had to gamble and get attackers flying up there. Cornet could have done something, one moment, then we get a bit of luck with that set piece goal and its 3-3. I don’t recall Lennon, Vydra and Jay having many touches (they played 6 passes between them, Jay had 2 shots). We do the same thing we will get the same outcome.
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How long will Pace allow Dyche to not use the 30m pound worth of talent he has bought him?
He's not a football man, he wasn't brought up on Brian Clough.
He's desperately raised finance with great interest payments to get players in and they've not been used.
Doesn't look good from a business point of view.
He's not a football man, he wasn't brought up on Brian Clough.
He's desperately raised finance with great interest payments to get players in and they've not been used.
Doesn't look good from a business point of view.
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The one concern regarding the comment about his English is that it could be a while before we see him play if he's not picking up the language quickly enough.
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I can see Pace running out of patience with this approach very quickly tbhQuickenthetempo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:08 pmHow long will Pace allow Dyche to not use the 30m pound worth of talent he has bought him?
He's not a football man, he wasn't brought up on Brian Clough.
He's desperately raised finance with great interest payments to get players in and they've not been used.
Doesn't look good from a business point of view.
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Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:10 pmI can see Pace running out of patience with this approach very quickly tbh
I expect he is a bit more level headed than the drama queens on here after a defeat
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You never know we might get a manager that can actually play some good stuff, dare to dream!claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:13 pmI expect he is a bit more level headed than the drama queens on here after a defeat
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After the defeat last night and with emotions running high now is surely the time for people of a similar mindset to yourself to form a group and get some sort of protest going this Saturday.Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:14 pmYou never know we might get a manager that can actually play some good stuff, dare to dream!
Surely there are enough of you to work on a Dyche out chant at the Arsenal game, either before, during or after ? Wouldn't that be more productive in letting the new owners new how you feel ?
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What people like you don't understand is that other people have different opinions, it is called a message board for a reason.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:17 pmAfter the defeat last night and with emotions running high now is surely the time for people of a similar mindset to yourself to form a group and get some sort of protest going this Saturday.
Surely there are enough of you to work on a Dyche out chant at the Arsenal game, either before, during or after ? Wouldn't that be more productive in letting the new owners new how you feel ?
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I accept that, just thought you would have the courage of your convictions, or do you want him gone only while you are on the forum ?Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:21 pmWhat people like you don't understand is that other people have different opinions, it is called a message board for a reason.
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Another poster with silly replies, enjoy your afternoon wanking off to a Dyche picclaretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:22 pmI accept that, just thought you would have the courage of your convictions, or do you want him gone only while you are on the forum ?
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I don't if level headed is a word I would use to describe Alan Pace from his time here.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:13 pmI expect he is a bit more level headed than the drama queens on here after a defeat
He has sacked a lot of staff in a short space.
Tore up lots of sponsorship deals and demanded more money for them.
Business driven would be how I describe him in this early stage.
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I like Alan he dosen't waste time
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Brilliant response, not quite brave enough offline to air your viewsSuperjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:23 pmAnother poster with silly replies, enjoy your afternoon wanking off to a Dyche pic
Dyche out Dyche out ra ra ra (how hard was that ?)
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We've had good stuff from Dyche though, or did you forget that?Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:14 pmYou never know we might get a manager that can actually play some good stuff, dare to dream!
Just need more of it, but they're clearly trying to move the club forwards style wise with the signing of someone like Cornet.
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Why don't you start a Dyche IN chant, seeing as how childish you appear to beclaretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:24 pmBrilliant response, not quite brave enough offline to air your views
Dyche out Dyche out ra ra ra (how hard was that ?)
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With our squad??Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:14 pmYou never know we might get a manager that can actually play some good stuff, dare to dream!
I’d love us to play “ sexy “ football but we would be torn to shreds
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Hes forgotten he ever played 4-5-1GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:27 pmWe've had good stuff from Dyche though, or did you forget that?
Just need more of it, but they're clearly trying to move the club forwards style wise with the signing of someone like Cornet.
Id be very happy if he remembers at any point this season
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Not sure about that, McNeil, Cornet, Vydra and Jay Rod are all capable of playing football if allowed to. Look what Bielsa has managed to do with Championship journeymen like Luke Ayling and Stuart Dallas.AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:28 pmWith our squad??
I’d love us to play “ sexy “ football but we would be torn to shreds
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You're arguing on a message board.