Goodness Roy Keane ............................ I nearly fell off the chair reading that onediamondpocket wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:03 pmForgive my ignorance but why has Roy Keane all of a sudden become an interesting managerial presence? Because he said he was still interested in getting back into management in an interview where he's walking his dog in a park?
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Basically Yes. But also, he came to watch us a lot when he was Ireland assistant so would be familiar with the club, the players and how we played and his record isn't that bad.diamondpocket wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:03 pmForgive my ignorance but why has Roy Keane all of a sudden become an interesting managerial presence? Because he said he was still interested in getting back into management in an interview where he's walking his dog in a park?
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I'm not suggesting we sack Dyche BTW, or bring Keane in. It's a hypothetical list of real potential next managers for the discussion.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Keane could cause a row in an empty dressing room.Sleeping Cat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:21 pmBasically Yes. But also, he came to watch us a lot when he was Ireland assistant so would be familiar with the club, the players and how we played and his record isn't that bad.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
bloody ridiculous that Dyche is still in charge when Conte and Zidane are out of work. Get them both in and spend 500 million in January, well easy this football lark. I've simulated all this on football manager so I know for a fact it can be done..........
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Pep could be an option. He wants out of City for international football…. But he doesn’t know some Burnley fans are desperate for a change, yet.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
I have confidence in the managerial capabilities of the manager, and am unlikely to be swayed by short term results. The trend of over performing against resources is consistent enough to give more than enough rope - and yes, that includes relegation (an inevitability at some point for this club) should it happen.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:27 pmAre you sure the team is well drilled, or at least is as well drilled as it used to be? Looks all over the place at times.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
His record isn't that bad when compared to what? At premier league level? At a level where he hasn't had more money than most other managers? I@m sorry, but that's an absolute nonsense.Sleeping Cat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:21 pmBasically Yes. But also, he came to watch us a lot when he was Ireland assistant so would be familiar with the club, the players and how we played and his record isn't that bad.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
So are you saying that discipline and effort this and last season are at the same levels they were in (say) 2018-19 season?dandeclaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:14 pmI have confidence in the managerial capabilities of the manager, and am unlikely to be swayed by short term results. The trend of over performing against resources is consistent enough to give more than enough rope - and yes, that includes relegation (an inevitability at some point for this club) should it happen.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Interesting you mention the 18/19 season, we garnered 12 points from 19 games during the 1st half of that campaign.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:39 pmSo are you saying that discipline and effort this and last season are at the same levels they were in (say) 2018-19 season?
And I remember plenty of clamour for SD to go during that fallow period as well, but we stuck with him, and came through that tough spell.
However the only reason we woke from our slumbers was SD made changes to the team, Heaton and McNeil in particular spring to mind, so SD might want to reflect on that when he selects his starting XI for the Arsenal game.
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I think it is clear SD is trying to develop a more flowing style of football, something many have been calling for throughout his time in charge. More expansive football inevitably incurs more risk and will take time to get right, something Football Manager experts don’t understand from their fantasy gaming.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:39 pmSo are you saying that discipline and effort this and last season are at the same levels they were in (say) 2018-19 season?
Is the discipline still there? Our disciplinary record suggests so, but players are being asked to adapt over and above what they have and that is were errors are a normal part of taking a side from point A to point B.
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Yes. as output showed, with a single point difference between 2018/19 and last season. This season is 4 games old, and performances have been in the main reasonable in all 4 games. I'm presuming from your line of questioning, you don't? You presumably think that there's a big gap from that 2018/19 season you cited as the benchmark?boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:39 pmSo are you saying that discipline and effort this and last season are at the same levels they were in (say) 2018-19 season?
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That’s like saying if I’m having ongoing trouble with my girlfriend the last 6 months, she can reply yes but you had trouble with me in 2018 and it’s still the same trouble so what’s your problem?dandeclaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:53 pmYes. as output showed, with a single point difference between 2018/19 and last season. This season is 4 games old, and performances have been in the main reasonable in all 4 games. I'm presuming from your line of questioning, you don't? You presumably think that there's a big gap from that 2018/19 season you cited as the benchmark?
Problem is, I’m still having trouble
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If your girlfriend was out of your league in 2018, is still out of your league now, and your whinging cos of her fake tan glove in the shower..... you would need to learn that the problem isn't the fake tan glove in the shower.CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:02 pmThat’s like saying if I’m having ongoing trouble with my girlfriend the last 6 months, she can reply yes but you had trouble with me in 2018 and it’s still the same trouble so what’s your problem?
Problem is, I’m still having trouble
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Well I'm not sure that they are so similar. We lost a lot of games (Hart in goal) early on, but pulled it round.dandeclaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:53 pmYes. as output showed, with a single point difference between 2018/19 and last season. This season is 4 games old, and performances have been in the main reasonable in all 4 games. I'm presuming from your line of questioning, you don't? You presumably think that there's a big gap from that 2018/19 season you cited as the benchmark?
This season, and for a fair bit towards the end of last season I'd say our discipline, particularly shape and marking,has deteriorated.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
And last season? We lost a lot of games early and pulled it round (1st win game 8)boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:27 pmWell I'm not sure that they are so similar. We lost a lot of games (Hart in goal) early on, but pulled it round.
This season, and for a fair bit towards the end of last season I'd say our discipline, particularly shape and marking,has deteriorated.
This season we've lost a lot of games early..... and the fan reaction is slightly more severe of it's all going wrong. Who knows if we will pull it around this time, but the pattern isn't new.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Exactly.dandeclaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:55 pmAnd last season? We lost a lot of games early and pulled it round (1st win game 8)
This season we've lost a lot of games early..... and the fan reaction is slightly more severe of it's all going wrong. Who knows if we will pull it around this time, but the pattern isn't new.
I'm not saying it's new. I'm not wetting the bed.
I am suggesting that (in my opinion) we are not quite on the money with the basics.
Is this a gradual downward trend?
I think everyone on here would accept that we were propped up last season by the 3 terrible teams below us. It can't keep happening.
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No we weren't. Can you get your facts straight please?boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:00 pm
I think everyone on here would accept that we were propped up last season by the 3 terrible teams below us. It can't keep happening.
We got 39 points. In recent seasons 36 points has been good enough to keep teams up in the Prem and it will this season.
The way that the current division shapes up means that the big six, plus a few others get enough points to stop the bottom three getting anymore than 34-35 points at most.
So even if Fulham, West Brom and Sheff United had got a few more points they would only have matched the likes of Bournemouth from the previous season.
Edit: And just to add, last season we didn't have to take too many points off the bottom three to survive either, which was quite pleasing.
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Sorry, but had one of those 3 teams managed 40 points we'd have gone down. The very fact that they were rubbish ensured our survival.Spijed wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:17 pmNo we weren't. Can you get your facts straight please?
We got 39 points. In recent seasons 36 points has been good enough to keep teams up in the Prem and it will this season.
The way that the current division shapes up means that the big six, plus a few others get enough points to stop the bottom three getting anymore than 34-35 points at most.
So even if Fulham, West Brom and Sheff United had got a few more points they would only have matched the likes of Bournemouth from the previous season.
Edit: And just to add, last season we didn't have to take too many points off the bottom three to survive either, which was quite pleasing.
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CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:43 pmDon’t want him to go at all but absolutely want him to react to the game. Those 3 games when we are ahead and their manager changes formation, if we pull Barnes for the extra 3rd CM and block LM up with Pieters instead of McNeil we win 2 out of 3 of them I reckon. I’m not sure if it’s stubbornness or a failure to see. Watching him, Woan and Stone talking into their mouths in the 75th minute before doing like for like plug and play subs is becoming a parody of itself.
If he starts the same 11 and does the same on Saturday then it has to be stubbornness.
He's beginning to believe he's bigger than the club
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
As I said, it's virtually impossible for any of the three relegated clubs to get 40 points these days anyway.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:31 pmSorry, but had one of those 3 teams managed 40 points we'd have gone down. The very fact that they were rubbish ensured our survival.
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We haven’t seen which clubs are going to implode this season, someone always does. We are not having a good time on the field right now, I worried for us for a time last season for the first time… but unlike most who felt like that I think the fact we were so poor for so long and yet still sat pretty before the final day, if anything convinced me there is very little to worry about. Goodness knows how high we will finish if we have a season where everything clicks again, we may look poor at the moment but we’re still comfortably Premier League standard.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
But 39 is easily achievable, then?
I'm no mathematician, but am I correct in thinking that if 3 out of 20 pick up very few points then the share out for the other 17 is higher?
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11 years ago was the last time - Birmingham.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:19 pmBut 39 is easily achievable, then?
I'm no mathematician, but am I correct in thinking that if 3 out of 20 pick up very few points then the share out for the other 17 is higher?
Anyway, I don't want to divert this thread away from all those who want SD to be given the boot.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
No, that’s a myth. The points the team got last season would have been enough to stay up in each of the 8 seasons that Burnley have been in the premier league.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:00 pmExactly.
I'm not saying it's new. I'm not wetting the bed.
I am suggesting that (in my opinion) we are not quite on the money with the basics.
Is this a gradual downward trend?
I think everyone on here would accept that we were propped up last season by the 3 terrible teams below us. It can't keep happening.
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Well lets just hope we reach the giddy heights of a 39 point 17th again this season...dandeclaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:45 pmNo, that’s a myth. The points the team got last season would have been enough to stay up in each of the 8 seasons that Burnley have been in the premier league.
and bung all the playing and coaching staff a thumping great bonus for doing it.
Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
I'm not sure starting Ashley Barnes suggests Dyche is trying to improve our style of play. If anything we've gone even more direct so far this season.elwaclaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:50 pmI think it is clear SD is trying to develop a more flowing style of football, something many have been calling for throughout his time in charge. More expansive football inevitably incurs more risk and will take time to get right, something Football Manager experts don’t understand from their fantasy gaming.
Is the discipline still there? Our disciplinary record suggests so, but players are being asked to adapt over and above what they have and that is were errors are a normal part of taking a side from point A to point B.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Sean is our great manager and will turn results around .
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
I saw why SD started Barnes he wanted to make sure Everton didn’t settle. Why Barnes was still on after an hour I found confusing. However, SD picks his times to deliver the bang. He has a few players coming in and he’s planning a time when things can and need to come together. That is when we see this season’s Burnley team… not now.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
People think we are maintaining our previous standards; OK, that's their view to which they are obviously entitled...
but this is not a view shared by pundits.
A few seasons ago our defensive shape was shown as exemplary, it isn't now.
I get that SD is trying to evolve our playing stile, but he hasn't got the staff for it.
but this is not a view shared by pundits.
A few seasons ago our defensive shape was shown as exemplary, it isn't now.
I get that SD is trying to evolve our playing stile, but he hasn't got the staff for it.
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Well I cannot argue for or against you point as most of the comings and going’s of back room staff blur after the shock of realising Stepney was teaching our goalkeepers… thinking I’d seen everything, I stopped looking that closely.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:10 pmPeople think we are maintaining our previous standards; OK, that's their view to which they are obviously entitled...
but this is not a view shared by pundits.
A few seasons ago our defensive shape was shown as exemplary, it isn't now.
I get that SD is trying to evolve our playing stile, but he hasn't got the staff for it.
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You're acting like a drama queen, same as Tiger.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:17 amIt isn't a fans job to pick a replacement?
We have so many experts though on here who know exactly where Dyche has gone wrong, when he loses the dressing room etc.
Why can't the same experts put forward a replacement?
Fans have the right to share their opinion, this is a platform to do so.
The title is ''for ALL those people who want Dyche gone'', it's a negative headline and a complete overreaction to suggest many people want Dyche gone, I've seen maximum 3 posters who claim they want Dyche to go, it's definitely not a mass outcry for him to leave is it?
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Strange. You've called for his removal plenty of times on here.KRBFC wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:29 pmYou're acting like a drama queen, same as Tiger.
Fans have the right to share their opinion, this is a platform to do so.
The title is ''for ALL those people who want Dyche gone'', it's a negative headline and a complete overreaction to suggest many people want Dyche gone, I've seen maximum 3 posters who claim they want Dyche to go, it's definitely not a mass outcry for him to leave is it?
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That's true but if Fulham and WBA weren't so useless they'd have rightfully beat us at home, that's automatically 4 less points. The margins were very very tight, despite the bottom 3 sides picking up no points.dandeclaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:45 pmNo, that’s a myth. The points the team got last season would have been enough to stay up in each of the 8 seasons that Burnley have been in the premier league.
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Rightly so, it would be another fantastic achievement.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:52 pmWell lets just hope we reach the giddy heights of a 39 point 17th again this season...
and bung all the playing and coaching staff a thumping great bonus for doing it.
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You’d get a yellow at least for that on the field…boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:52 pmWell lets just hope we reach the giddy heights of a 39 point 17th again this season...
and bung all the playing and coaching staff a thumping great bonus for doing it.
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36 points will do, 39 is just a luxuryboatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:52 pmWell lets just hope we reach the giddy heights of a 39 point 17th again this season...
and bung all the playing and coaching staff a thumping great bonus for doing it.
Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Not really strange for someone to change their opinion 3 years down the line. I'm certainly not Dyche out atmfidelcastro wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:32 pmStrange. You've called for his removal plenty of times on here.
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I think it was even longer than 3 years ago, potentially 5 when Silva was at Hull.
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Some people obviously stuck in the past
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It isn’t clear to me at all that he’s trying to develop a more flowing style. If anything, the style has regressed. We’ve certainly been more physical this season than previously. And I’m not sure pairing Barnes with Wood up top is conducive to a free flowing style.elwaclaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:50 pmI think it is clear SD is trying to develop a more flowing style of football, something many have been calling for throughout his time in charge. More expansive football inevitably incurs more risk and will take time to get right, something Football Manager experts don’t understand from their fantasy gaming.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Quick look at possession stats against Everton suggests a very different approach to “lump it up on the break and get a corner” football Burnley are so often accused of.Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:59 pmIt isn’t clear to me at all that he’s trying to develop a more flowing style. If anything, the style has regressed. We’ve certainly been more physical this season than previously. And I’m not sure pairing Barnes with Wood up top is conducive to a free flowing style.
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Which is testament to Dyche's achievements.
Silva? Oh yeah, I remember him. The guy you wanted to replace Dyche?
What's he up to these days?
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Stepney??? You are joking?elwaclaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:20 pmWell I cannot argue for or against you point as most of the comings and going’s of back room staff blur after the shock of realising Stepney was teaching our goalkeepers… thinking I’d seen everything, I stopped looking that closely.
By staff I really meant playing staff.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
I think he has more players able to play at a very high level to cover most bases, yes areas could be improved but we’re looking at a proven solid unit that’s grinding a bit but about and about to be serviced. I’m not worried, I’m cautiously excited.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:09 pmStepney??? You are joking?
By staff I really meant playing staff.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Anytime we have a bad run the usual suspects crawl out from under their rocks and demand he goes.KRBFC wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:29 pmYou're acting like a drama queen, same as Tiger.
Fans have the right to share their opinion, this is a platform to do so.
The title is ''for ALL those people who want Dyche gone'', it's a negative headline and a complete overreaction to suggest many people want Dyche gone, I've seen maximum 3 posters who claim they want Dyche to go, it's definitely not a mass outcry for him to leave is it?
So all that's being asked is suggestions as to who they'd want to replace him.
Yes I remember your behaviour a few years ago, it was absolutely hilarious let's be honest, but you're not the same person now so this post wasn't really aimed at you because I genuinely can't remember the last time you wanted Dyche out.
If fans want a manager fired, they should be able to name alternatives.
My 17 yr old son could do it with the NFL, in which he supports the SF 49ers.
He can name who he'd want to replace the GM, the coach, the offensive or defensive coaches etc, all with valid reasoning.
Which of the off/Def coaches he thinks could make the step up to head coach.
He even knew who he wanted his team to go for in the draft.
If he can do that, why can't seasoned Burnley fans do the same when asked?
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top of the league with Fulham at the moment, blowing teams apart.fidelcastro wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:08 pmWhich is testament to Dyche's achievements.
Silva? Oh yeah, I remember him. The guy you wanted to replace Dyche?
What's he up to these days?
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Last season, our away form kept us up...historically that has never been the case. Teams have now sussed us out, and we have reverted to the tough stuff...only going one way.Spijed wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:17 pmNo we weren't. Can you get your facts straight please?
We got 39 points. In recent seasons 36 points has been good enough to keep teams up in the Prem and it will this season.
The way that the current division shapes up means that the big six, plus a few others get enough points to stop the bottom three getting anymore than 34-35 points at most.
So even if Fulham, West Brom and Sheff United had got a few more points they would only have matched the likes of Bournemouth from the previous season.
Edit: And just to add, last season we didn't have to take too many points off the bottom three to survive either, which was quite pleasing.