They'll need more players if they're gonna be playing 60+ games next seasonVegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:10 pmGiven Johnny Evans is 33 I would say Leicester is Tarks likely option this summer.
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I've noticed a few people suggesting that Tarks might sign a contract, is there any reason for this apart from blind faith? I'm hoping I've missed something...
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I’d be amazed, I’m fully expecting him gone.burnley007 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:41 pmI've noticed a few people suggesting that Tarks might sign a contract, is there any reason for this apart from blind faith? I'm hoping I've missed something...
Great player, but we will get over it!
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He's nailed on to go on a free to Leicester at the end of the season I'd have thought
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His agent will know if he can get bigger wages else where or a better club.burnley007 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:41 pmI've noticed a few people suggesting that Tarks might sign a contract, is there any reason for this apart from blind faith? I'm hoping I've missed something...
His form has been OK but we haven't kept a clean sheet yet this season so I don't think clubs will be desperate for him.
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Leicester (for some reason) did sign Vestergaard, but I think they're quickly realising he's pretty terrible so I wouldn't be surprised if they snapped up Tarkowski. West Ham will probably interested again too.
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Why would he sign a contract when another club picking him up for free will pay him a signing on fee? Unless we pay him which would be a very dangerous precedent
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Wet spam have just spaffed big money on zouma.Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:27 pmLeicester (for some reason) did sign Vestergaard, but I think they're quickly realising he's pretty terrible so I wouldn't be surprised if they snapped up Tarkowski. West Ham will probably interested again too.
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Can't see JT signing again for us - this is his chance of a big pay day and with a club that is likely to be playing in Europe
Presume Collins is seen as his successor
Ben Mee also out of contract this summer - will he and his agent be looking for a similar move and the financial benefits it may bring
No obvious successor for his position
Presume Collins is seen as his successor
Ben Mee also out of contract this summer - will he and his agent be looking for a similar move and the financial benefits it may bring
No obvious successor for his position
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Ben Mee won't get a better offer than Burnley. He'd be stupid to turn down a new deal.jojomk1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:03 pmCan't see JT signing again for us - this is his chance of a big pay day and with a club that is likely to be playing in Europe
Presume Collins is seen as his successor
Ben Mee also out of contract this summer - will he and his agent be looking for a similar move and the financial benefits it may bring
No obvious successor for his position
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He ain't playing in Europe let's get it straight.
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I could see him moving in the summer to a bigger club and being a bench player with appearances here and there. As it seems in today's game that money is more important than playing football for the majority I expect he'll take it.
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He’s already said he wants and expects to stay, with contract talks on going.jojomk1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:03 pmCan't see JT signing again for us - this is his chance of a big pay day and with a club that is likely to be playing in Europe
Presume Collins is seen as his successor
Ben Mee also out of contract this summer - will he and his agent be looking for a similar move and the financial benefits it may bring
No obvious successor for his position
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Interesting to see how he gets on.
Apparently he went for a wander in their last game, ended up out of position and cost them a goal.
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I fully expect Tarks to leave at the end of his contract. While it will be for more money I suspect it is a decision he will live to regret. I expect the clamour for his signature next summer will be much reduced from those who have previously perused him. He will move because it’s a last big pay day, but I don’t expect to see him being an automatic starter for many other teams in the Premiership.
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Brighton seem to be on the up with Mr Potter and they have the Ben White money to spend so could see Tarks going there next summer
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Good points and the grass isn't always greener as Hendrick is now finding out, the only apparent interest in JT has been from Leicester & West Ham, and if everyone is fit at both those clubs he might well find himself spending plenty of time on the bench.elwaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:07 pmI fully expect Tarks to leave at the end of his contract. While it will be for more money I suspect it is a decision he will live to regret. I expect the clamour for his signature next summer will be much reduced from those who have previously perused him. He will move because it’s a last big pay day, but I don’t expect to see him being an automatic starter for many other teams in the Premiership.
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I'm still hoping he can start to believe in the new ownership and the way they want to take the club forward. He may well be better off staying with us and being a linch pin, rather than taking his chances elsewhere.
I would love him to stay, he is probably our best and most consistent player of recent years, (I've certainly never seen a better defender playing for Burnley and I started watching 40 years ago!)
I would love him to stay, he is probably our best and most consistent player of recent years, (I've certainly never seen a better defender playing for Burnley and I started watching 40 years ago!)
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But as with Jeff Hendrick, if JT were to take a copy of that week's bank statement with him to each game, reading that whilst sitting on the bench would perhaps ease the disappointment of not playing?
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Possibly! but if Tarks harbours any hope of playing for England, then warming the bench at his next club will do him no good.AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:15 amBut as with Jeff Hendrick, if JT were to take a copy of that week's bank statement with him to each game, reading that whilst sitting on the bench would perhaps ease the disappointment of not playing?
Fair does if he values a bigger pay packet over playing every week in the PL, good player but we'll survive without him should he go.
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Even if a move to somewhere like Leicester doesn't work out, he might not necessarily regret it. He might prefer to spend his retirement being glad he tried for the highest level career he could have, even if it doesn't work out as he hoped.elwaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:07 pmI fully expect Tarks to leave at the end of his contract. While it will be for more money I suspect it is a decision he will live to regret. I expect the clamour for his signature next summer will be much reduced from those who have previously perused him. He will move because it’s a last big pay day, but I don’t expect to see him being an automatic starter for many other teams in the Premiership.
(Not that Leicester are showing many signs of qualifying for Europe at present. He'd be in their side now, for a certainty!)
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In some cases this is probably true, but I really think for the vast majority of players, already extremely rich anyway btw, they move to actually play and if they're not playing and their career is ebbing away as the time slips by waiting on the bench they won't like it and will be extremely disappointed. (Kevin Long notwithstanding as that's an anomaly I really can't fathom tbh, but anyway....) Tarks will want and expect to play, whatever money he's getting and as others have said he's not going to be first choice at many other PL clubs. He needs to be very careful what he chooses to do over the next few months because Burnley represents the best future in terms of playing and being a "linchpin" at the highest level. Anything else is a huge gamble and more than likely to end in disappointment and a star on the wane. He's yet another player who is absolutely excellent for us and just fits with us, but he's not as good as he maybe thinks he is and I believe he'll struggle at most other PL teams. He's already unbelievably well paid so money grabbing to become a squad player seems a poor career move. The only blot on the horizon really however is the spectre of relegation and Tarks may well be reluctant to commit his future to Burnley right now whilst there's a real possibility we could end up in the Championship, because being a PL squad player somewhere else would certainly seem more appealing than playing in the Championship with Burnley.AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:15 amBut as with Jeff Hendrick, if JT were to take a copy of that week's bank statement with him to each game, reading that whilst sitting on the bench would perhaps ease the disappointment of not playing?
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Fair enough, but I reckon the players don't think they'll be relegated, they know they are strong enough to survive this season.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:36 amIn some cases this is probably true, but I really think for the vast majority of players, already extremely rich anyway btw, they move to actually play and if they're not playing and their career is ebbing away as the time slips by waiting on the bench they won't like it and will be extremely disappointed. (Kevin Long notwithstanding as that's an anomaly I really can't fathom tbh, but anyway....) Tarks will want and expect to play, whatever money he's getting and as others have said he's not going to be first choice at many other PL clubs. He needs to be very careful what he chooses to do over the next few months because Burnley represents the best future in terms of playing and being a "linchpin" at the highest level. Anything else is a huge gamble and more than likely to end in disappointment and a star on the wane. He's yet another player who is absolutely excellent for us and just fits with us, but he's not as good as he maybe thinks he is and I believe he'll struggle at most other PL teams. He's already unbelievably well paid so money grabbing to become a squad player seems a poor career move. The only blot on the horizon really however is the spectre of relegation and Tarks may well be reluctant to commit his future to Burnley right now whilst there's a real possibility we could end up in the Championship, because being a PL squad player somewhere else would certainly seem more appealing than playing in the Championship with Burnley.
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Hasn't he recently purchased a new house Rossendale Valley/Manchester way?
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Maybe he backs himself to move to a bigger club and do well? Fair play to him, far more respect for that than the Kevin Long approach.
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Your basing that on the fact Tarks wouldn’t play for a potential suitor. I am sure Tarks backs himself to go to a club and make a success of himself. Similar to how he did with us.tiger76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:27 amPossibly! but if Tarks harbours any hope of playing for England, then warming the bench at his next club will do him no good.
Fair does if he values a bigger pay packet over playing every week in the PL, good player but we'll survive without him should he go.
The point about England is completely Null, it has been made very clear Tarks doesn’t stand a chance of being selected whilst at Burnley. However if he went to a Leicester and was successful you could be certain he gets called up.
Financially it makes sense for Tarks to leave he will get a 3-4m£ signing on fee and probably an extra 50k a week. Approaching the back end of his career that will be very appealing.
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He great on the pitch directing others, would make a very good Skipper...will be sad to see him gone.
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My respect for him has only increased this season, his commitment is obvious despite being off at the end of the season. Fantastic!
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I don’t think anyone disrespects TarksPaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:31 pmMy respect for him has only increased this season, his commitment is obvious despite being off at the end of the season. Fantastic!
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No, absolutely, I wasn’t suggesting they were, just that he has gone above and beyond my expectation given he is leaving at the end of the season.
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Agreed. Showing fantastic leadership qualities.PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:31 pmMy respect for him has only increased this season, his commitment is obvious despite being off at the end of the season. Fantastic!
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He bought his new house off my cousin, just before last Christmas. Had some changes made to spec it out for him and his family. Proper 'footballer's house', but not in the Phil Neville decor kind of way. It's not a cheap gaff, that's for sure.
It's not in either of those areas though.
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Don’t a lot of the players (especially with kids) live Cheshire way as they tend to go to schools around there.
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Yeah, there's a few in Cheshire, a few in South Manchester and in Salford. (but not Tarkowski)
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Where is it then?quoonbeatz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:16 pmYeah, there's a few in Cheshire, a few in South Manchester and in Salford. (but not Tarkowski)
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It’s not really optional it’s good that he’s doing all the right things & playing well but let’s not kid ourselves he has to to get the move away he desires, it benefits us as a club & him in attracting more suitors for when he does leave.PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:07 pmNo, absolutely, I wasn’t suggesting they were, just that he has gone above and beyond my expectation given he is leaving at the end of the season.
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I’m not just on about how he is playing, it’s his attitude as well. He is genuinely hacked off when others make a mistake and we concede. You don’t always see that when a player is running his contract down.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:33 amIt’s not really optional it’s good that he’s doing all the right things & playing well but let’s not kid ourselves he has to to get the move away he desires, it benefits us as a club & him in attracting more suitors for when he does leave.
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He wants to end things properly & try his best & having a relegation on his CV will be at odds with that, he’s got 1 life & 1 career & I don’t blame him for wanting out but I’m not going to start believing he cares that much to any great extent, because if he did he would be staying let’s be honest he won’t be short of a few bob financially so in that sense it’s not critical & time will be against in other non financial senses regarding future objectives.PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:19 amI’m not just on about how he is playing, it’s his attitude as well. He is genuinely hacked off when others make a mistake and we concede. You don’t always see that when a player is running his contract down.
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What? Who said that he cares about us to any great extent, I just pointed out that his attitude has been top notch despite wanting to leave.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:05 pmHe wants to end things properly & try his best & having a relegation on his CV will be at odds with that, he’s got 1 life & 1 career & I don’t blame him for wanting out but I’m not going to start believing he cares that much to any great extent, because if he did he would be staying let’s be honest he won’t be short of a few bob financially so in that sense it’s not critical & time will be against in other non financial senses regarding future objectives.
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It can’t be anything else, if he portrays the attitude of not giving a sh1t he’ll be in dickies meadow when the contract finishes, like I say it’s mutually beneficial so nothing really to gripe about from that perspective, it’s working out well & could be the difference in ensuring safety knowing that somebody’s there who can’t afford to drop really that much in standards.PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:26 pmWhat? Who said that he cares about us to any great extent, I just pointed out that his attitude has been top notch despite wanting to leave.
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I’m just comparing and contrasting him with Danny Ings when he was running his contract down, head and shoulders above him in my opinion.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:31 pmIt can’t be anything else, if he portrays the attitude of not giving a sh1t he’ll be in dickies meadow when the contract finishes, like I say it’s mutually beneficial so nothing really to gripe about from that perspective, it’s working out well & could be the difference in ensuring safety knowing that somebody’s there who can’t afford to drop really that much in standards.
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I'm hoping he makes some serious mistakes that don't cost us any points so no one comes in for him.
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He’ll be a free agent. Do you really think that nobody will want to sign him if he makes some mistakes?superdimitri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:59 amI'm hoping he makes some serious mistakes that don't cost us any points so no one comes in for him.
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Bit pointless signing Nathan Collins for the long term if Tarkowski is likely to be playing for us next season.
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You can just imagine the conversations in the summer can't you.
Know that defender we were willing to go up to 30m for, well we could get him on a free now... nah he isn't for us he made a couple of mistakes last season
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They like Vestergaard.Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:27 pmLeicester (for some reason) did sign Vestergaard, but I think they're quickly realising he's pretty terrible so I wouldn't be surprised if they snapped up Tarkowski. West Ham will probably interested again too.
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Yes there is the danger of another Gibson/Mee situation developing, unless we go to 3 at the back, which TBH I can't see happening.
Much as I rate Tarkowski, I'm more relaxed about him moving on now we've signed Collins.
A season for Nathan to settle in and maybe playing the odd cup game, then getting a full pre-season alongside Ben I hope, and we might not miss Tarks as much as we imagine, Keane moved on to Everton, and we managed to replace him with JT, so there's no reason why we can't repeat that with Collins, and if there's one position SD can spot it's a CB.
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I'd still rather have Tarks stay, neither him nor Mee are getting any younger, Collins will get his chance eventually.
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I know what you are saying but the differences are DI was a lot younger & in demand & he could afford to be cocksure you only have to look at how he’s progressed since leaving he’s established himself as a top striker in the league, you only need a shaky season from JT loss of form & the earlier interest can easily be retracted, from his perspective the reality is that this season he needs to be outstanding to attract more offers, it’s effectively like giving notice to your current employers without a job to go to but needing 1 after & more importantly needing to be offered a better 1 than you are leaving.PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:16 pmI’m just comparing and contrasting him with Danny Ings when he was running his contract down, head and shoulders above him in my opinion.
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I would think that Tarks will be offered a ‘take it or leave it contract’ in January and if he declines we will listen to any serious offers and hopefully cash in then.