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Bruce is about to be sacked within 48 hrs according to reports. Graham Jones in charge for the Spurs game.
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BBC gossip pages on their football site is saying newcastle want tarks, and also lingard, and icardi from PSG. not a hope in hell. i hope they get relegated.
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So if football isn't the same thing to me as it is to you, why are you acting like it's negative towards Dyche to be excited to see the Newcastle project? I like football at the very top aswell as Burnley, I thought the Liverpool/City game recently was incredible, it's nothing to do with Burnley, doesn't affect my want for Burnley to win.Spiral wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:36 pmIt's the football equivalent of, *sobbing* "my sister's husband buys her flowers and tells her he loves her all the time, why don't you?"
Also, you used the word project unironically. Football isn't the same exact thing to me as it is to you. That's fine, but you'll never convince me to like this. As well put together as the show is (and it certainly is), it's at the point where I barely even watch MOTD anymore because I'm a bit fed up, and that would have been inconceivable to think when I started watching footy years ago.
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Shearers bar was renamed because shearer was critical of the ashley regime. Think you have the donkey and the cart the wrong way round.KRBFC wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:08 amI think Shearer was banned from the club or something, certainly banished. I read Ashley changed a bars name inside the ground (formerly named after Shearer). So Shearer is just biased and mad and generally the Geordies seem to think they deserve to be fighting at the top of the league, despite history suggesting they shouldn't.
Meanwhile, Karen Brady, the dildo twins spokesperson is the latest to be critical of the new owners based upon their morality.
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Oils running out so, they're buying somewhere else to live.
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£5m pay off ,allegedly for Steve Bruce, nice work if you can get it
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And some fans wonder why he doesn't simply walk, I'd be doing precisely the same as him in this situation, sit tight and wait for the new owners to dismiss him.Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:48 pm£5m pay off ,allegedly for Steve Bruce, nice work if you can get it
According to the rumours Graham Potter is a strong favourite to take the reins, I must admit he wasn't the 1st name that crossed my mind, despite the splendid job he's doing at Brighton.
However if Newcastle want to get back to playing open attacking football maybe he wouldn't be a bad shout, and crucially he knows the PL, and what it takes to get results in this league.
Be a big blow for Brighton to lose him though.
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Be a bigger blow to Newcastle if they appoint him.
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The first batch of players that they manage to sign will be the mercenary types, like Robinho, Carbone and Bogarde.
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A bit old now, I'd have thought.claretandy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:02 amThe first batch of players that they manage to sign will be the mercenary types, like Robinho, Carbone and Bogarde.
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What is this "jealous/hate" thing that a lot of Burnley fans seem to have against Leeds and/or Brighton
Both clubs certainly spend more money than us and a lot of people (inside and out of Burnley) think they play more attractive football than us
But the same could be said of virtually every other club in the Premiership
Just find it a bit strange
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Never mentioned 'jealousy/hate' so I'm not sure why you have accused me of that. But never mind, you carry on. I was just trying to make the point that with this highest of profiles that they now apparently possess and a seemingly bottomless pot of dirty money and knowing Geordies as well as I do, I think underwhelmed might be a reaction from them. I'm not saying they should be but that it is how I suspect they might react. Only a supposition, of course.jojomk1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:40 amWhat is this "jealous/hate" thing that a lot of Burnley fans seem to have against Leeds and/or Brighton
Both clubs certainly spend more money than us and a lot of people (inside and out of Burnley) think they play more attractive football than us
But the same could be said of virtually every other club in the Premiership
Just find it a bit strange
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I'd agree, Potter would be an underwhelming appointment at this moment in time, he wouldn't attract the players they're seeking to raise the club up to top 7.Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:28 amNever mentioned 'jealousy/hate' so I'm not sure why you have accused me of that. But never mind, you carry on. I was just trying to make the point that with this highest of profiles that they now apparently possess and a seemingly bottomless pot of dirty money and knowing Geordies as well as I do, I think underwhelmed might be a reaction from them. I'm not saying they should be but that it is how I suspect they might react. Only a supposition, of course.
He was made manager at Brighton in May 2019.
They've finished 15th and then 16th under his managership, that isn't what Newcastle want or need.
A real statement of intent would be appointing a serial winner, like Conte.
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Would be interesting to see how a manager like Conte would perform with a struggling group of players, where he couldn't immediately spend money in the transfer market until January.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:33 amI'd agree, Potter would be an underwhelming appointment at this moment in time, he wouldn't attract the players they're seeking to raise the club up to top 7.
He was made manager at Brighton in May 2019.
They've finished 15th and then 16th under his managership, that isn't what Newcastle want or need.
A real statement of intent would be appointing a serial winner, like Conte.
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https://twitter.com/CEMEDlA/status/1447 ... AVNkA&s=19
Good article by a Geordie about the takeover.
Good article by a Geordie about the takeover.
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He'd have to buy into a long term project and the owners would also have to resist pulling the trigger whilst he rebuilt the squad etc.
Would be worth a watch though
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It's a massive appointment, I wonder who they go for. I seen Gerrard and Lampard linked, pretty underwhelming choices. I think Potter is probably the best English manager out there atm, kept Brighton up with peanuts playing attractive football and gradually built a good side sticking to his principles and they've started the season on fire. But could he attract the international players? seems unlikely.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:42 amHe'd have to buy into a long term project and the owners would also have to resist pulling the trigger whilst he rebuilt the squad etc.
Would be worth a watch though
Part of me would like to see Jose appointed, assemble his own great team and stick two fingers up to the doubters. It wasn't until he left United people actually realized he did a good job, it just never felt like a long term fix. Took Spurs to a cup final under the stingy Levy, now look at the state of them.
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Alexa............. insert the fishing emoji.KRBFC wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:12 amIt's a massive appointment, I wonder who they go for. I seen Gerrard and Lampard linked, pretty underwhelming choices. I think Potter is probably the best English manager out there atm, kept Brighton up with peanuts playing attractive football and gradually built a good side sticking to his principles and they've started the season on fire. But could he attract the international players? seems unlikely.
Part of me would like to see Jose appointed, assemble his own great team and stick two fingers up to the doubters. It wasn't until he left United people actually realized he did a good job, it just never felt like a long term fix. Took Spurs to a cup final under the stingy Levy, now look at the state of them.
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What's their net spend since he took over? The owner seems to have stopped spending since Potter came in. I'm looking at their 11, Welbeck/Lallana free transfers, that GK from the youth team, Shane Duffy, Lewis Dunk and Dan Burn must have cost 3 twixes between them.
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Only one lot of accounts available at present, from his first season.KRBFC wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:19 amWhat's their net spend since he took over? The owner seems to have stopped spending since Potter came in. I'm looking at their 11, Welbeck/Lallana free transfers, that GK from the youth team, Shane Duffy, Lewis Dunk and Dan Burn must have cost 3 twixes between them.
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... LuqeA&s=19
For anyone claiming they're well run etc, just note their debt figure...
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Problem being for some they think the only cost in football is a transfer fee, it is like when they become old enough to buy a house the only cost is a mortgage. Either that or peanuts have become very expensive down there.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:31 amOnly one lot of accounts available at present, from his first season.
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... LuqeA&s=19
For anyone claiming they're well run etc, just note their debt figure...
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net spend of around £12m a season on transfer fees since he took over, certainly not huge sums of money in the PL. The funding does seem to have dried up somewhat though, maybe Bloom realised he had to throw an initial bag of cash at it to stay in the league and is now cutting funds to decrease debt. They have got rid of some of the big earners and previous big money signings too, Izqueirdo, Andone, Jahanbaksh and Propper all left in the last window.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:31 amOnly one lot of accounts available at present, from his first season.
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... LuqeA&s=19
For anyone claiming they're well run etc, just note their debt figure...
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The spending was on hold because of Covid, massive amounts of revenue lost, rebates etc.KRBFC wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:41 amnet spend of around £12m a season on transfer fees since he took over, certainly not huge sums of money in the PL. The funding does seem to have dried up somewhat though, maybe Bloom realised he had to throw an initial bag of cash at it to stay in the league and is now cutting funds to decrease debt. They have got rid of some of the big earners and previous big money signings too, Izqueirdo, Andone, Jahanbaksh and Propper all left in the last window.
Al the things that were a problem for us, were a problem for everyone else also but that's usually ignored amidst all the noise people were making about Garlick.
He's never gonna decrease that debt, unless he wants to sell the club and then he will probably write it off like Davies did at Bolton.
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I guess debt doesn't matter if it's debt to the owner he never intends to cash, I wonder if their wage bill is highly bonus incentivised too, £102m seems sky high for 2019. Does that figure include the full wage of players out on loan, where the loan team are contributing towards the wages? I'd be interested to see what their wage bill is now, they have an awful lot of players out on loan and have got rid of big earners in the last 2 years for very little in return. Bloom spent a small fortune when they first arrived in the PL, that number does seem to be more balanced now though but it's hard to say without the full updated facts on wages etc.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:46 amThe spending was on hold because of Covid, massive amounts of revenue lost, rebates etc.
Al the things that were a problem for us, were a problem for everyone else also but that's usually ignored amidst all the noise people were making about Garlick.
He's never gonna decrease that debt, unless he wants to sell the club and then he will probably write it off like Davies did at Bolton.
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A couple of sites say their current wage bill is around £40m-44m, either that is rubbish or the wages are bonus heavy.
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According to the link the wage bill is 80% of turnover which is pretty good tbh.KRBFC wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:53 amI guess debt doesn't matter if it's debt to the owner he never intends to cash, I wonder if their wage bill is highly bonus incentivised too, £102m seems sky high for 2019. Does that figure include the full wage of players out on loan, where the loan team are contributing towards the wages? I'd be interested to see what their wage bill is now, they have an awful lot of players out on loan and have got rid of big earners in the last 2 years for very little in return. Bloom spent a small fortune when they first arrived in the PL, that number does seem to be more balanced now though but it's hard to say without the full updated facts on wages etc.
Dunno what it is since last summer's signings, cos Welbeck and Lallana won't be low earners.
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If Potter went to Newcastle the question is whether it would weaken one or both clubs.
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Potter isn't very well thought of on here, yet most pundits or journalists seem to think he's a very good, up and coming manager who gets his team's playing decent football.
One thing's for sure he's certainly ahead of Mr Dyche in the pecking order when any bigger jobs come up.
One thing's for sure he's certainly ahead of Mr Dyche in the pecking order when any bigger jobs come up.
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Why didn't you just say he's better than Dyche.
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For all the decent football they've finished 15th and then 16th under his management....jrgbfc wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:19 pmPotter isn't very well thought of on here, yet most pundits or journalists seem to think he's a very good, up and coming manager who gets his team's playing decent football.
One thing's for sure he's certainly ahead of Mr Dyche in the pecking order when any bigger jobs come up.
Howe was also another media golden manager who's teams played pretty football and he's still unemployed last I checked.
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If Potter is the big rumour to take over at Newcastle William Hill haven't heard about it obviously, they will be only too glad to take your cash whilst giving you odds of 16/1.
Like finding money in the street
Like finding money in the street
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Well he record to date certainly suggests he is nowhere near as good as SD.jrgbfc wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:19 pmPotter isn't very well thought of on here, yet most pundits or journalists seem to think he's a very good, up and coming manager who gets his team's playing decent football.
One thing's for sure he's certainly ahead of Mr Dyche in the pecking order when any bigger jobs come up.
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Potters record in Sweden was excellent taking Östersund from the 4th tier to the 1st tier (for the first time in their history) in just 4 seasons and on a limited budget managed to get them to as high as 5th in the league and winning the Swedish cup.
That cup win took them into Europe where not only did they beat teams like Galatasaray to get through the qualifying but they also came second in their group and qualified for the knockout phases. They were finally knocked out by Arsenal despite winning 2-1 at the Emirates.
Brighton obviously saw something in him at Swansea to want to poach him and after two seasons of building his team they are starting to look like a decent Premier League team and reap the rewards from getting him as their manager
I dont see why some posters need to get so defensive about these kind of subjects and seem to take everything as a competition between whoever and Dyche. At the end of the day Dyche has done phenomenal with us and Potter did phenomenal in Sweden and is now starting to get good results at Brighton.
Id be shocked if Newcastle go for him but if they do it would be a massive loss to Brighton
That cup win took them into Europe where not only did they beat teams like Galatasaray to get through the qualifying but they also came second in their group and qualified for the knockout phases. They were finally knocked out by Arsenal despite winning 2-1 at the Emirates.
Brighton obviously saw something in him at Swansea to want to poach him and after two seasons of building his team they are starting to look like a decent Premier League team and reap the rewards from getting him as their manager
I dont see why some posters need to get so defensive about these kind of subjects and seem to take everything as a competition between whoever and Dyche. At the end of the day Dyche has done phenomenal with us and Potter did phenomenal in Sweden and is now starting to get good results at Brighton.
Id be shocked if Newcastle go for him but if they do it would be a massive loss to Brighton
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I think Potter will not be razzmatazz enough to be considered. Think Newcastle will join the merry-go-round of the usual European suspects.
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I think they'll go for Potter. Not a big name but he has European and PL experience. Given the tools, he'll quietly set about creating a decent side.
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The opening game of the season, and since, seems to suggest Potter is getting tactically better whilst SD could be seen as stagnating
Let's hope that changes
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I think 'said posters are viewed as defensive because of the constant belittling of a manager who has worked absolute wonders for a small town club over a number of years in arguably the best league in world football( outside Sweden obviously) without substantial backing from an outside source.
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Its you said posters who seem so insecure you have to belittle other players and managers and in this perfect example instead of being able to recognise that Potter like Dyche has had some brilliant success as a manager you instead have to try and belittle his achievements by making a snide dig at Sweden
Why cant you just admit that what Potter achieved in Sweden was exceptional and that he looks to be improving Brighton. Admitting this takes nothing away from how successful Dyche has been with us.
Why cant you just admit that what Potter achieved in Sweden was exceptional and that he looks to be improving Brighton. Admitting this takes nothing away from how successful Dyche has been with us.
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Whoever is chosen as the next manager won't be the manager for the long term, although he won't realise it.
The new owners preferred, and probably already signed up, manager will be pulling the strings in the background whilst serving out his time with his current club untill the summer and the dirty work is over.
The board will have been given a few names to chase in January by the preferred manager , the stool pigeon (new manager) will be asked who he wants to sign and the already identified targets will be added to his list.
Lo and behold the stool pigeon gets what he thinks are his targets and lets them get settled in for the summers arrival of the new man.
The very best managers don't start at the bottom.
The new owners preferred, and probably already signed up, manager will be pulling the strings in the background whilst serving out his time with his current club untill the summer and the dirty work is over.
The board will have been given a few names to chase in January by the preferred manager , the stool pigeon (new manager) will be asked who he wants to sign and the already identified targets will be added to his list.
Lo and behold the stool pigeon gets what he thinks are his targets and lets them get settled in for the summers arrival of the new man.
The very best managers don't start at the bottom.
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Alternatively the very best so-called managers won't touch jobs where there isn't a vast pot of money involved. Could any top manager keep us in the Prem with our resources, for example.Nonayforever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:47 pmWhoever is chosen as the next manager won't be the manager for the long term, although he won't realise it.
The new owners preferred, and probably already signed up, manager will be pulling the strings in the background whilst serving out his time with his current club untill the summer and the dirty work is over.
The board will have been given a few names to chase in January by the preferred manager , the stool pigeon (new manager) will be asked who he wants to sign and the already identified targets will be added to his list.
Lo and behold the stool pigeon gets what he thinks are his targets and lets them get settled in for the summers arrival of the new man.
The very best managers don't start at the bottom.
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I can't see anywhere that I mentioned Potter in the whole post. I think it was you that eulogised about his achievements in Sweden, a country that I have no knowledge of regarding standard of football and so understandably eliminated from my overall comment on world football. If
it is a powerhouse of national league football then I doff my hat to him for his meteoric rise and apologise to you for inferring otherwise. Several posters have alluded to the point that he has finishes of 15th and 16th so far, with significant financial backingI must add, hence my reluctance currently to champion his name as one of the current rising stars in the game.
it is a powerhouse of national league football then I doff my hat to him for his meteoric rise and apologise to you for inferring otherwise. Several posters have alluded to the point that he has finishes of 15th and 16th so far, with significant financial backingI must add, hence my reluctance currently to champion his name as one of the current rising stars in the game.
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You responded to a post I made about Potter and made a glib and negative remark after moaning about others doing the same towards Dyche. The fact you're now trying to act like you wasn't doing this shows you up for how childish you are when it comes to discussions of this nature.Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:07 pmI can't see anywhere that I mentioned Potter in the whole post. I think it was you that eulogised about his achievements in Sweden, a country that I have no knowledge of regarding standard of football and so understandably eliminated from my overall comment on world football. If
it is a powerhouse of national league football then I doff my hat to him for his meteoric rise and apologise to you for inferring otherwise. Several posters have alluded to the point that he has finishes of 15th and 16th so far, with significant financial backingI must add, hence my reluctance currently to champion his name as one of the current rising stars in the game.
I simply highlighted the Potter has had a very successful career as a manager and found it odd that some people cant deal with this and get defensive. Seems like it hit a nerve with your subsequent responses and like I said you've just got really childish about it all so I'll leave you to play with your rattle in piece.
As said Potter's achievements in Sweden were exceptional and the squad he has built in two years at Brighton is starting to look very good. If this kind of praise for him makes people uncomfortable or upset then thats your own troubles to deal with but what an insular life some of you must lead if this kind of thing genuinely gets to you
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Look, have a go at the others if you desperately want an argument. Potty v Dyche. Plenty of mileage in that for a Monday night.
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that is a heartfelt piece, but it appears that much of the criticism regarding the purchase of the club is from people outside the game.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:41 amhttps://twitter.com/CEMEDlA/status/1447 ... AVNkA&s=19
Good article by a Geordie about the takeover.
I doubt many Newcastle United supporters will boycott the forthcoming games as a protest.
Neither do I think fans of Newcastles opponents will stay away to show disapproval for the regime that now owns their club.