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Stuff like “can’t believe Newcastle didn’t buy him” is a bit daft.
It infers that whenever a team sell a player they can’t replace him with one that’s better which is of course nonsense.
It infers that whenever a team sell a player they can’t replace him with one that’s better which is of course nonsense.
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It’s also daft that our best premier league striker by some distance still gets called rubbish.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:09 amStuff like “can’t believe Newcastle didn’t buy him” is a bit daft.
It infers that whenever a team sell a player they can’t replace him with one that’s better which is of course nonsense.
Weghorst has had 3 seasons in the Bundesliga and has done well. Other than that he was in the Dutch League playing for the smaller sides. If he turns out to be a good un then great but I certainly won’t be saying he’s better than Chris Wood at the moment.
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Good record, target man so a direct replacement for Wood, experience at European and International level - you cannot say it's not an ambitious target. He's a square peg for a square hole, probably what we need right now rather than some inexperienced 21 year old like Dieng etc that were previously mentioned.
We do need a central midfielder though - but if we were able to bring in Weghorst on a reasonable deal that isn't overpriced (or loan to buy), as well as a top quality (for us) CM, the team suddenly looks quite strong, in my opinion. Just imagine, if possible:
-------------------------------Pope
-----------------Tarkowski---------Mee
Roberts-----------------------------------------Taylor
--------------Westwood---------Ramsey
--McNeil----------------Cornet-------------Orsic
------------------------Weghorst
Crosses being flung in from either flank for the big bloke, Cornet buzzing around in a free role, Ramsey probing from central midfield - it sounds attractive (although question marks perhaps on Ramsey in a midfield two). I appreciate that at this point this looks far fetched, but if nobody else comes in for Ramsey, who knows? There is goals in that team.
We do need a central midfielder though - but if we were able to bring in Weghorst on a reasonable deal that isn't overpriced (or loan to buy), as well as a top quality (for us) CM, the team suddenly looks quite strong, in my opinion. Just imagine, if possible:
-------------------------------Pope
-----------------Tarkowski---------Mee
Roberts-----------------------------------------Taylor
--------------Westwood---------Ramsey
--McNeil----------------Cornet-------------Orsic
------------------------Weghorst
Crosses being flung in from either flank for the big bloke, Cornet buzzing around in a free role, Ramsey probing from central midfield - it sounds attractive (although question marks perhaps on Ramsey in a midfield two). I appreciate that at this point this looks far fetched, but if nobody else comes in for Ramsey, who knows? There is goals in that team.
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AZ smaller side? do you damn researchPearcey wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:18 amIt’s also daft that our best premier league striker by some distance still gets called rubbish.
Weghorst has had 3 seasons in the Bundesliga and has done well. Other than that he was in the Dutch League playing for the smaller sides. If he turns out to be a good un then great but I certainly won’t be saying he’s better than Chris Wood at the moment.
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3 good seasons in Bundesliga is good going, Wood had 4 ‘good’ seasons in the Prem so similar to some extent.Pearcey wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:18 amIt’s also daft that our best premier league striker by some distance still gets called rubbish.
Weghorst has had 3 seasons in the Bundesliga and has done well. Other than that he was in the Dutch League playing for the smaller sides. If he turns out to be a good un then great but I certainly won’t be saying he’s better than Chris Wood at the moment.
I’ve never seen him play so can’t comment but the bare facts that he’s a full international, scores goals at a high level and looks to fit our system mean he will do for me.
Anyway all that said, my point was more around why Newcastle didn’t buy him.
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Weghorst:
Strengths: Aerial Duels, Key Passing, Headed Attempts, Finishing.
Weaknesses: Defensive contribution, Offside often
Style: Likes flick ons, does not dive into tackles
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/11547 ... t-Weghorst
Chris Wood:
Strengths: Aerial Duels, Headed Attempts
Weaknesses: Defensive contribution, Passing, Holding onto the ball
Style: Likes flick ons, does not dive into tackles, likes short passes
Almost like a mini (or maxi) me between the two of them. Although not mentioning “offside often” for Wood surely means the site is talking cobblers.
Strengths: Aerial Duels, Key Passing, Headed Attempts, Finishing.
Weaknesses: Defensive contribution, Offside often
Style: Likes flick ons, does not dive into tackles
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/11547 ... t-Weghorst
Chris Wood:
Strengths: Aerial Duels, Headed Attempts
Weaknesses: Defensive contribution, Passing, Holding onto the ball
Style: Likes flick ons, does not dive into tackles, likes short passes
Almost like a mini (or maxi) me between the two of them. Although not mentioning “offside often” for Wood surely means the site is talking cobblers.
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2 things. In for him in the Autumn. they had a question about whether he’d qualify for a WP with the new Brexit rules, and then he picked up an injury. So didn’t pursue. This was Newcastle pre Saudi FC.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:25 am3 good seasons in Bundesliga is good going, Wood had 4 ‘good’ seasons in the Prem so similar to some extent.
I’ve never seen him play so can’t comment but the bare facts that he’s a full international, scores goals at a high level and looks to fit our system mean he will do for me.
Anyway all that said, my point was more around why Newcastle didn’t buy him.
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Andy Jones latest piece for the Athletic suggesting Orsic (obviously) then a striker is likely the only business we’ll be doing. Striker is a current international playing overseas (could this be Weghorst). Says we are fully focused on those two deals right now.
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Occasionally onside would be a better description for Wood.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:26 am
Almost like a mini (or maxi) me between the two of them. Although not mentioning “offside often” for Wood surely means the site is talking cobblers.
The analysis video posted on the previous page compliments his defensive work/tracking back.
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Calm down with the aggression fella. AZ are small compared to PSV, Ajax and Feyenoord.
As for Bundesliga player who haven’t scored in the premier league I give you Havertz and Werner. If we sign Weghorst I’ll judge him if he scores goals.
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Yup, certainly not Dutch minnows. have they not finished 2nd the last 2 years? Could've won the league had Covid not stopped itBLH_Claret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:29 amYep, AZ are probably the 4th wealthiest club in the Netherlands. A good side for years.
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This would be excellent. I’m excited.
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I like this comment very much
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Qualified for Europe 13 times since 2005, including Champions League and regularly top 4 finish. Missed out on championship to Ajax on points average due to COVID 2 years ago.
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Weghorst follows Burnley on instagram. Make of that what you will.
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So have Celtic.BLH_Claret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:45 amQualified for Europe 13 times since 2005, including Champions League and regularly top 4 finish. Missed out on championship to Ajax on points average due to COVID 2 years ago.
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Imagine comparing Dutch football with the Scottish PL
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Done deals from what I'm hearing.
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Firstly, I said he's a better option than Carroll. I've no idea where you are getting anything other than that from.
I don't rate him based on when I've seen him play for Holland and for Wolfsburg, but he is tall, he is good in the air and he's fairly mobile for a big lad, but I question at 29 if he's going to be an improvement on what we already have and will he be able to make enough of a difference in the five months he's going to have
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Yes. Absolutely no comparison at all, it’s not the strongest European league the Ere Divisie but to compare to Scotland is ridiculous. Scotland have Rangers and Celtic as the competitive sides, Ere Divisie has PSV, Feyenoord, Ajax, Utrecht, Vitesse, Heerenveen and Alkmaar with a few of others tending to be competitive occasionally.
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What do we already have to improve on? Vydra on the surgery table, Barnes nowhere near fit and Rodriguez who's scored 1 goal in the last god knows how many years.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:53 amFirstly, I said he's a better option than Carroll. I've no idea where you are getting anything other than that from.
I don't rate him based on when I've seen him play for Holland and for Wolfsburg, but he is tall, he is good in the air and he's fairly mobile for a big lad, but I question at 29 if he's going to be an improvement on what we already have and will he be able to make enough of a difference in the five months he's going to have
You make it sound like we're full of options of real quality...... we're down to the absolute bare bones upfront
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Ajax have absolutely crushed the UCL this season and they weren't even top of the Dutch league until 3 days ago
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Let’s stop pretending like the Dutch league is a top league.
Bang average league.
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Just like Orsic, whether Weighorst is a good investment for our money depends on the fee. If we're paying a fee that is at all comparable to that payable for a younger player with even a broadly comparable CV, then I think this is a fair point. But if the fee is lower, then I think this is a bit moot. So far as I can see, there's no suggestion been given as to the fee Weighorst would command so it's all speculative at this point.
Weighorst is 6 or 7 months younger than Wood. Orsic is a year younger than Wood. If we're bringing both of them in and still having, say, £7m left over from selling Wood, I think we can probably overstate the age thing on this occasion - however valid the general point.
One thing about both Weighborst and Orsic - they both appear from their CVs relatively late bloomers. These are players who have done the hard yards in their 20s and who have only latterly got the chance to go to the biggest stage. Dyche has always liked that sort of player because they tend to appreciate what they've got and give absolutely everything to make the most of what they've been given. It can be true that they go on longer too, because they want to extract every last moment at the top level.
I still think though that whilst strikers and wingers are important, we need to invest in the centre of the pitch before the window is done. Our biggest problem this season has been our composure and quality on the ball, and relatively few of the players we've been linked with latterly will address that. If we don't, then we'll be in big trouble.
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No thats not what I saidKRBFC wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:54 amWhat do we already have to improve on? Vydra on the surgery table, Barnes nowhere near fit and Rodriguez who's scored 1 goal in the last god knows how many years.
You make it sound like we're full of options of real quality...... we're down to the absolute bare bones upfront
Look, if you are going to be full on KRBFC and be a total t**t because I've called you out for your constant s**t, then this is just wasting time
You've already made up stuff based on what you think I've said, rather than what I've actually said, and you are ignoring anything I've put explaining why I posted what I posted
Its well weird, but whatever floats your boat I guess
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It's not the PL, Serie A or La Liga. It's light years ahead of Scottish football thoughNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:59 amLet’s stop pretending like the Dutch league is a top league.
Bang average league.
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Word for word this is what you saidLancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:00 amNo thats not what I said
Look, if you are going to be full on KRBFC and be a total t**t because I've called you out for your constant s**t, then this is just wasting time
You've already made up stuff based on what you think I've said, rather than what I've actually said, and you are ignoring anything I've put explaining why I posted what I posted
Its well weird, but whatever floats your boat I guess
''but I question at 29 if he's going to be an improvement on what we already have ''
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They were your words, I didn't add anything to those words to put stuff in your mouth, I didn't make it up either, you typed that.
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Agree but it doesn’t seem a priority according to reports that suggests Orsic + a striker could be the only business we do.claretspice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:59 amI still think though that whilst strikers and wingers are important, we need to invest in the centre of the pitch before the window is done. Our biggest problem this season has been our composure and quality on the ball, and relatively few of the players we've been linked with latterly will address that. If we don't, then we'll be in big trouble.
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I was referring to the Andy Carroll stuff you made up in your head
And you are still ignoring what I said about his good points
I mean, if you are trying to come across as an argumentative troll then you are nailing it!
Anyway, it depends on the fee
He's clearly available and we need a striker better than the Andy Carroll option
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Quick trolling through twitter and he's been linked with us, Newcastle (shock!), Spurs and Arsenal
That Ryan Taylor chap says his representatives are talking to "premier league clubs, one of which is believed to be Burnley"
Hmmmm
But all of them are quoting the Daily Mail article. There isn't anything other than that
That Ryan Taylor chap says his representatives are talking to "premier league clubs, one of which is believed to be Burnley"
Hmmmm
But all of them are quoting the Daily Mail article. There isn't anything other than that
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Ryan Taylor (Express) on Twitter: Had confirmation reps of Wolfsburg striker Wout Weghorst are in talks with clubs from Premier League. One understood to be #BurnleyFC. Further discussions expected to take place today. 18 months left on contract in Germany.
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I'm not ignoring your good points, I'm not looking to be an argumentative troll, I'm not editing your posts, I'm specifically arguing the point you madeLancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:05 amI was referring to the Andy Carroll stuff you made up in your head
And you are still ignoring what I said about his good points
I mean, if you are trying to come across as an argumentative troll then you are nailing it!
Anyway, it depends on the fee
He's clearly available and we need a striker better than the Andy Carroll option
''but I question at 29 if he's going to be an improvement on what we already have ''
I'd say Weghorst at 29 is absolutely an improvement on what we already have and I question, what on earth do we already have?
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Put it this way, I’d rather our team with Orsic and Weghorst in it compared to our team with Wood and Gudmundsson in it.
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Everybody remembers Van Persie and Van Ristleroi but there are just as many Dutch flops who came to England and failed
Let's hope this fellow is like the former.
Let's hope this fellow is like the former.
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I sincerely hope you turn out to be right.jedi_master wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:13 amPut it this way, I’d rather our team with Orsic and Weghorst in it compared to our team with Wood and Gudmundsson in it.
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"I question"KRBFC wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:11 amI'm not ignoring your good points, I'm not looking to be an argumentative troll, I'm not editing your posts, I'm specifically arguing the point you made
''but I question at 29 if he's going to be an improvement on what we already have ''
I'd say Weghorst at 29 is absolutely an improvement on what we already have and I question, what on earth do we already have?
Unlike some posters on here, I don't pretend that I'm always right
We have Vydra, Rodriguez, Barnes and Cornet up front at the moment as options (I take your point that we are not sure how fit Barnes is going to be)
Cornet is clearly more than good enough, and we've seen in patches that the other three can be (though again, its not been for at least a season for Vydra and Jay, and longer than that for Barnes)
"I question" whether he's an improvement on those options, and to go into further detail, I wouldn't "question" it if the fee was £10 million, but I would if the fee was £20 million
Now, if you'd like to explain to me where you got the Andy Carroll stuff from I'm all ears
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I doubt many remember Van Ristleroi. I definitely don't.Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:16 amEverybody remembers Van Persie and Van Ristleroi but there are just as many Dutch flops who came to England and failed
Let's hope this fellow is like the former.
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Wood was a great signing for us, but I’m describing the Wood of 2017-August 2021 with that statement. It had gone stale, he wasn’t performing - we won’t miss the Wood of THIS season.
Just my opinion!
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Yet we're wetting our knickers about a player from the Croatian league???Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:59 amLet’s stop pretending like the Dutch league is a top league.
Bang average league.
For what it's worth, I think both would be astute signings provided we aren't breaking the bank. Both clearly have experience form a number of league and represent their country at international level.
Like many others though, I'd like to see an additional central midfielder too, preferably with a bit of mobility and athleticism