Sack Dyche now

[taio]

if you want some context we have lost more games than we have won under Dyche...

That's really poor context.

[bfcjg]

Was referring to McNeil as our most technical player who can pick a pass.

McNeil would struggle to pick his nose these days.

[ClaretLoup]

I have a lot of sympathy for Dyche, he has had to put up with the previous Chairman refusing to renew the contracts of players at the end of 2019-2020 so that the team had to take the field at Palace with only Kevin Long on the bench with any senior experience. We couldn't even hang on to a journeyman like Jeff Henrick. In the following summer window spending was limited to £1m on Dale Stephens. Meanwhile it looks like the aforementioned chairman is about to trouser £89 million and his mate JB circa £50 million if all the scheduled payments are made.

Since that summer Barnes, JBG, & Cork have been disabled and look like they are unable to regain anywhere near their former prowess, and as luck would have it, Stephens looks in the same boat.

On the other hand when your skipper is launching into a Force 10 gale when there is a simple forward diagonal pass to your left, the midfield give up expecting the ball to their feet and you have McNeil & Cornet seemingly unclear on what they are supposed to be doing then you have to look at the manager. Re-Signing Lennon sends out all the wrong signals balanced against McNeil being the only player to graduate from the academy in 9 years, with Michael Keane the only really successful loan player converted to a signing. He has had nine years to evolve a different set of tactics but they are the same as eons ago except without Boyd, Arfield, and Marney/Barton who made them work better.

Probably it's too late to pot him now and pointless when you have three centre halves two right backs and two goalies on the bench. At the end of the season Alan needs to come up with a strategy of how we survive in the Championship with a limited budget, as with 8 OOC players and the likes of Taylor, Cornet, etc. flung over the sides to keep the ship afloat, this will be a very tough job. Dyche has done this successfully before but the question is whether he really wants to do it all over again. Probably not, and if he has a pay cut he may well be off anyway.

On balance keep Dyche for now but start looking round for a suitable replacement.

Exciting times.

[RVclaret]

That's really poor context.

That’s literally the opposite of providing context!

[andyh]

I think the last thing we need to blame is slowness in renewing contracts. In fact I wish more had been allowed to expire. It is easy to be wise after the event but which of JBG, Cork, Beardsley, Pieters, Lowton,Barnes or JRod have done enough to merit t her wages we have spent on their renewed contracts. We should have walked away from them all and brought in cheaper players that might (or might not) develop.

[brexit]

This is a ridiculous thread. Burnley are over-achieving by being in the Premiership at all. In the normal scheme of things our resources suggest
us being a mid table Championship side. Sean Dyche has given Burnley fans something they could never have dreamed of and he should leave the club when he chooses to. Be careful what you wish for- I saw us lose to Maidstone and Aldershot in the 1980s- playing in the Championship is no disgrace.

I think the frustration for many here (including me) is not Dyche's record or Dyche's future it is Dyche in the present. He would appear to be unable adopt a different approach or more importantly change plan or personnel to affect the flow of a game.
The past we can't change, the future is unknown we can only effect the present. Dyche's philosophy is one game at time which I agree with but he needs to find a way to get this group of players to score goals.
Regardless of any stance you take, pro-Dyche, anti-Dyche, can't be arsed or just Trolling if we are to stay up we need to score goals and turn goalless draws into scrappy 1-0 wins. Unfortunately current tactics\approach is mitigating against that.

[AfloatinClaret]

...if you want some context we have lost more games than we have won under Dyche...

He's certainly been the master of his own downfall in that regard; if he'd lost us a couple more matches back in 2016/17 we could've gone back down to the Championship then and probably won far more since, though SD'd have needed to be careful not to win too many each season or we may have come back into the Premiership

[Mala591]

The PL in 2021-2022 has moved on. Better technical players, better athletes, better organisation. We just can’t afford the £££ to keep up. Our first team squad are ‘busting a gut’ to compete with our opponents.

We’re slightly out of our depth this season and changing formation from 4-4-2 is unlikely to have any significant effect.

If our destination is to become a PL/Championship yo yo club then so be it.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Not sure why we wouldn’t give this a go to be honest .

Pope
Roberts Tarks Mee Taylor
Stephens
Brownhill Westwood
Cornet Weghorst McNeil

Sit Stephens in front of the defence, get Brownhill pressing high and keep McNeil wide LEFT

[AfloatinClaret]

...which of JBG, Cork, Beardsley, Pieters, Lowton,Barnes or JRod have done enough to merit t her wages we have spent on their renewed contracts..

Pieters and Lowton have earned their corn and Beardsley's not cost us a penny

[gawthorpe_view]

Was referring to McNeil as our most technical player who can pick a pass.

And last night he got shunted out to the right where he's totally ineffective.

(Not a criticism of the quoted post BTW).

[brexit]

Not sure why we wouldn’t give this a go to be honest .

Pope
Roberts Tarks Mee Taylor
Stephens
Brownhill Westwood
Cornet Weghorst McNeil

Sit Stephens in front of the defence, get Brownhill pressing high and keep McNeil wide LEFT

Again why won't Dyche try alternative a tactics - is it because he has recruited players for a system that is now ineffective and he doubts if they are flexible enough to play another way.
I think he will always play his 4-4-2 system regardless of results and recruit to fit that system and his "loyalty" values. WW is probably proof of this, same type of player as Wood but maybe an upgrade - time will tell.
Stick with Dyche, stick with his tactics which aren't working. There is no guarantee that this approach will work in the championship either - Huddersfield match proved that.

[RicardoMontalban]

Geezo man come on talk about exaggeration. he's won the championship and came runner up once in almost 10 years of management.

if you want some context we have lost more games than we have won under Dyche...

If we’re going to talk about context then we need to look at the environment he’s worked in. What he’s done with us in ten years, with the huge inequalities we face in the prem, absolutely stands up to the records of managers from our heyday, when the playing field was much more level. And ask yourself would the club have achieved what it has with any other manager, or has he been fundamental to that achievement?

What would you consider the benchmark for him to be held in such acclaim managing Burnley now?

[Jamesy]

Pieters and Lowton have earned their corn and Beardsley's not cost us a penny

Do some of us intentionally spell players names incorrectly just to get a reaction? If so, it is working. Peter Beardsley retired around twenty odd years ago. It’s BARDSLEY.
Mind you, I wish we did have a player of the calibre of Peter Beardsley in our midfield. We would be staying up for sure.

[TonbridgeClaret]

My wife and I are on the train from Preston back to Euston, on the same train as Barry Kilby and his wife. He was very chatty before we got on and said they had a meal with Sean Dyche last night. Apparently, Sean was happy and very upbeat! Not sure that tells us anything, but good to know he seems content with that 'display.'

[IanMcL]

Just when the whole club needs every ounce of support, the weak fall down on the job of support.

Up the Clarets

[claretandbluesky]

Dyche is stubborn until he’s put in a corner when he tends to be a little more proactive.
To go down playing this predictable pattern would do his future job prospects no good at all.
Despite his success he could find himself getting labelled a dinosaur.
He is better than that but sometimes he really takes stasis to its limits.
It’s now a difficult ask but he needs to be inventive, think outside the box and motivate the team and crowd with a new adventurous outlook.
He’s nothing to lose.

[KRBFC]

This is a ridiculous thread. Burnley are over-achieving by being in the Premiership at all. In the normal scheme of things our resources suggest
us being a mid table Championship side. Sean Dyche has given Burnley fans something they could never have dreamed of and he should leave the club when he chooses to. Be careful what you wish for- I saw us lose to Maidstone and Aldershot in the 1980s- playing in the Championship is no disgrace.

mid table Championship sides have a strike force worth £27m and an £11m central defender on the bench, do they?
You clearly have zero standards and zero ambition, nobody cares about the 1980's it's about as relevant as us winning division 1 in the 60s.

[Jamesy]

My wife and I are on the train from Preston back to Euston, on the same train as Barry Kilby and his wife. He was very chatty before we got on and said they had a meal with Sean Dyche last night. Apparently, Sean was happy and very upbeat! Not sure that tells us anything, but good to know he seems content with that 'display.'

How are Barry and Sonja,Tonbridge? I hope Barry is looking well.

[Lew200100]

And last night he got shunted out to the right where he's totally ineffective.

(Not a criticism of the quoted post BTW).

He got shunted out to the right. He should have been shunted off the pitch. Mcneils contribution was next to zero and it didn’t matter which side he played he goes backwards every time he gets the ball. He’s a defenders dream not a nightmare anymore as he is a one trick pony.

McNeil needs to develop different skills as defenders shove him inside on the left and know there isn’t a chance of him wanting to go around the outside on the right.

[RalphCoatesComb]

Nobody cares about the 1980's it's about as relevant as us winning division 1 in the 60s.

I care about our history and it is relevant. We should learn from it.

No one in this League has a God given right to be here, unless you have Millions to throw away. What Sean Dyche has achieved, with his meagre budget, is nothing short of miraculous, and long may it continue.

Just to survive in this League, we have to punch above our weight, something that Sean and his team understand very well.

Unfortunately, SOME of our supporters expect, and demand, that we should be challenging for Champions League spots. Get real.

WE ARE BURNLEY, NOT BARCELONA

[GodIsADeeJay81]

if you want some context we have lost more games than we have won under Dyche...

This applies to the majority of managers in football, nevermind the PL.

In the PL you can count on one hand how many managers have a win rate higher than 50% so that's a pretty poor stick to try and beat Dyche with.

[KRBFC]

I care about our history and it is relevant. We should learn from it.

No one in this League has a God given right to be here, unless you have Millions to throw away. What Sean Dyche has achieved, with his meagre budget, is nothing short of miraculous, and long may it continue.

Just to survive in this League, we have to punch above our weight, something that Sean and his team understand very well.

Unfortunately, SOME of our supporters expect, and demand, that we should be challenging for Champions League spots. Get real.

WE ARE BURNLEY, NOT BARCELONA

I haven't seen anyone on here ever suggest we should be challenging for the Champions League spots maybe you should get real and stop making up nonsense

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I care about our history and it is relevant. We should learn from it.

No one in this League has a God given right to be here, unless you have Millions to throw away. What Sean Dyche has achieved, with his meagre budget, is nothing short of miraculous, and long may it continue.

Just to survive in this League, we have to punch above our weight, something that Sean and his team understand very well.

Unfortunately, SOME of our supporters expect, and demand, that we should be challenging for Champions League spots. Get real.

WE ARE BURNLEY, NOT BARCELONA

The club has learned from it though, it's a section of the supporters who cling onto the Orient game and use it as a justification to say no the club doing certain things that could potentially move the club forwards.
The younger fans have no connection to that game, which is why they get frustrated to the constant reference to it during discussions on here.

People are expecting a challenge for the title or regular European spots, they're expecting a change in the style of football at some point and seeing a change in the recruitment policy, but they keep getting the Orient game thrown at them...

[Ric_C]

Geezo man come on talk about exaggeration. he's won the championship and came runner up once in almost 10 years of management.

if you want some context we have lost more games than we have won under Dyche...

Give me strength, I'm logging off here for a few days, I can't take it anymore, it's beyond parody

[ksrclaret]

Eyes down for a full house

“We’re Burnley not Barcelona”

House!

[TonbridgeClaret]

How are Barry and Sonja,Tonbridge? I hope Barry is looking well.

They were both very well, but Barry was a bit down about 'the Clarets last night.' Never met him before, what a lovely man.

[RalphCoatesComb]

Maybe you should get real and stop making up nonsense

As usual, you are right

[evensteadiereddie]

No, they don't, deejay.

The Orient game and any other reference to the past is to put what is happening in the present in context.

Dyche is doing the best with what he has. The PL has moved on by clubs spending millions upon millions of pounds most of that money underpinned by incredibly wealthy backing.

We haven't got that , we have a small, loyal fanbase and a bunch of PL hangers-on , quite a few on here by the look of it , so Dyche formulated a framework which has managed to confound the critics and defy the odds.

For variour reasons, lack of funds especially, Dyche has had to stick to his system and mend and make do. No other manager has come anywhere near to his success in battling the odds and, remarkably, he's doing it again to some extent this season.

We are not out of it by a long shot, our midfield is inferior there's no doubt about it but to talk about sacking Dyche or rejigging the whole system is madness.

We're not getting hammered by anybody so there is some hope that any tweaking might get us the win we need for lift off.

[brexit]

This applies to the majority of managers in football, nevermind the PL.

In the PL you can count on one hand how many managers have a win rate higher than 50% so that's a pretty poor stick to try and beat Dyche with.

Old I know but
https://www.squawka.com/en/best-premier ... win-rates/

[Jamesy]

I care about our history and it is relevant. We should learn from it.

No one in this League has a God given right to be here, unless you have Millions to throw away. What Sean Dyche has achieved, with his meagre budget, is nothing short of miraculous, and long may it continue.

Just to survive in this League, we have to punch above our weight, something that Sean and his team understand very well.

Unfortunately, SOME of our supporters expect, and demand, that we should be challenging for Champions League spots. Get real.

WE ARE BURNLEY, NOT BARCELONA

Most of us are well aware of who we are. I for one am not expecting us to be anything like Barcelona, although they are not too brilliant at present. I do however wish that we would play something resembling attractive football from time to time that may lift the excitement level a little. A couple of Cornet wonder goals and the first half against Brentford are all I have really seen in terms of entertainment this season. The battling draw at Arsenal was satisfying in a different way but we cannot do that every away game. It is not the be all and end all to survive in the Premier League by stinking the place out most weeks with boring attritional, devoid of attacking ideas football. It is looking like our time at this level is now almost up.

[KRBFC]

Why don't we mention the Div 1 title win and FA Cup successes instead of the Orient game?

Burnley fans love to pretend we're historically a tiny club when we aren't at all. We are number 20 on the list of all time English top flight wins since 1888-89.

[Spijed]

No, they don't, deejay.

The Orient game and any other reference to the past is to put what is happening in the present in context.

Dyche is doing the best with what he has. The PL has moved on by clubs spending millions upon millions of pounds most of that money underpinned by incredibly wealthy backing.

We haven't got that , we have a small, loyal fanbase and a bunch of PL hangers-on , quite a few on here by the look of it , so Dyche formulated a framework which has managed to confound the critics and defy the odds.

For variour reasons, lack of funds especially, Dyche has had to stick to his system and mend and make do. No other manager has come anywhere near to his success in battling the odds and, remarkably, he's doing it again to some extent this season.

We are not out of it by a long shot, our midfield is inferior there's no doubt about it but to talk about sacking Dyche or rejigging the whole system is madness.

We're not getting hammered by anybody so there is some hope that any tweaking might get us the win we need for lift off.

Excellent post. And as I've said before our achievement of getting into Europe with our resources should be seen as a miraculous achievement in comparison to others.

Can't see other clubs doing that in the near future.

[KRBFC]

Excellent post. And as I've said before our achievement of getting into Europe with our resources should be seen as a miraculous achievement in comparison to others.

Can't see other clubs doing that in the near future.

We didn't quite get into the Europa League

[Spijed]

We didn't quite get into the Europa League

Since where did I say we did in my post above?

We Still qualified to play in Europe for only the third time in our history, much as you or anyone else might like to degrade that achievement.

Playing in Istanbul and Athens (in real games, not a friendly pre-season match) is way beyond what the majority of supporters at other clubs will ever experience, and is more that most teams ever getting promoted to the Premier League will ever achieve.

[KRBFC]

Since where did I say we did in my post above?

We Still qualified to play in Europe for only the third time in our history, much as you or anyone else might like to degrade that achievement.

Playing in Istanbul and Athens (in real games, not a friendly pre-season match) is way beyond what the majority of supporters at other clubs will ever experience, and is more that most teams ever getting promoted to the Premier League will ever achieve.

Dyche was the one who degraded it by playing Kevin Long and Gibson in Istanbul, with Bardsley right back and Taylor left midfield. For that reason, the whole thing was a total disappointment. Great league season to get to the qualifying rounds then we failed with a whimper.

[Jamesy]

They were both very well, but Barry was a bit down about 'the Clarets last night.' Never met him before, what a lovely man.

Good stuff. I’m not surprised Barry was a bit down after watching that. Glad they are both well.

[Paddy1882]

Your footballs rubbish Sean get gone

The day after I regret making this post, was poor form from myself but a mix of being cold and wet and rather annoyed at the performance led me to chucking the proverbial toys out the pram. If your reading this Sean I don’t want you gone but the footy was rubbish

[randomclaret2]

How can a manager with 1 League win in the last 22 not be under intense scrutiny ?

[CoolClaret]

Dyche was the one who degraded it by playing Kevin Long and Gibson in Istanbul, with Bardsley right back and Taylor left midfield. For that reason, the whole thing was a total disappointment. Great league season to get to the qualifying rounds then we failed with a whimper.

This was a frigging disgrace and outright offensive to all fans of the club.

He should have given it his absolute all them games instead of throwing haphazard teams together.

[Jamesy]

How can a manager with 1 League win in the last 22 not be under intense scrutiny ?

He probably is. However Pace and co. are probably now regretting their first bad business decision in giving Dyche and Woan et.al. a contract for a further four years. Costly mistake.

[alwaysaclaret]

Is it Dyche's fault we didn't sign some? I don't think so.

I actually think it is, lot's will have been identified, possibly by no other than pace himself, he's clearly taking an active part in this, but the problem imo is that dyche will only accept a certain type as we are all aware, I believe this was partly the reason garlick has let go of the reigns, simply because he couldn't work with dyche any longer, so has passed it on to someone else, obviously there's other factors, but I really believe that this was part of it.

[Pickles]

Dyche was the one who degraded it by playing Kevin Long and Gibson in Istanbul, with Bardsley right back and Taylor left midfield. For that reason, the whole thing was a total disappointment. Great league season to get to the qualifying rounds then we failed with a whimper.

I felt so despondent sitting in that stadium in Istanbul. A lot of talk about transfer windows recently but none will have me as frustrated as that summer. Finished seventh, one of the best sides in the country albeit punching above our weight, a chance to attract a higher calibre of player, for Dyche to take his career up a level... and we treated the whole experience with such a whimper. I think I've been a bit ****** off with Burnley ever since.

[Vegas Claret]

Wasn’t the rain pal although that obviously added to it, it was the wind.
The swirling nature of it meant that you couldn’t even really judge it at one point I thought they were going to have to have a player holding the ball at free kicks and corners like in Rugby
Weghorst looked like he was heading the ball upwards all the time but I think flick ons were just being took by the wind

well aware, which again made the log balls up to Cornet even more ridiculous

[CrosspoolClarets]

Look, I’d have been perfectly happy to sack Dyche after his teamsheet in Istanbul (and in earlier rounds where we ragged it through). That pretty much consigned us to having survival as our only objective each season which personally isn’t for me. That issue is now in the past though.

But people saying pot him after a draw with a relegation rival in horrendous conditions when we have players just bedding into the team - that’s bonkers, not least because the result has ensured that our survival remains in our hands due to our games in hand.

Of course we need to start scoring, but many of us believe that will soon happen with Cornet and Weghorst playing regularly.

[Stayingup]

Old I know but
https://www.squawka.com/en/best-premier ... win-rates/

That does put some 'context' into the pro Dyche argument.

[Spijed]

Any list that has Ole Gunnar Solskjaer in it can easily be dismissed as he's widely considered as being next to useless.

[HahaYeah]

I actually think it is, lot's will have been identified, possibly by no other than pace himself, he's clearly taking an active part in this, but the problem imo is that dyche will only accept a certain type as we are all aware, I believe this was partly the reason garlick has let go of the reigns, simply because he couldn't work with dyche any longer, so has passed it on to someone else, obviously there's other factors, but I really believe that this was part of it.

That's some imagination you have.

[brexit]

That does put some 'context' into the pro Dyche argument.

and should we forget

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... s-22173739

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Old I know but
https://www.squawka.com/en/best-premier ... win-rates/

That's the site I was looking at for reference