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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Murger » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:29 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:24 pm
As a aim as being achieved but without any plan to carry it out I think its a very fair comparison

Whats the plan now Murger?
What do you mean?

Edit: for what it's worth, I think it's the correct call from Pace. We are going down regardless.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by TonbridgeClaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:30 pm

Murger wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:22 pm
Fair play for fitting Brexit in.
Never gives up, does he?

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:31 pm

Murger wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:29 pm
What do you mean?
Whats the plan now you've won?

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by DCWat » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:31 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:03 pm
Goes without saying that the Dyche out lot are completely incapable of naming a replacement that will magically change our team into one that will easily survive relegation

Bit like Brexit really, celebrating it like mad but not having a plan that works to replace it
Whoever comes in, easily surviving relegation is an impossibility. Scraping survival would be the best anyone could achieve, and that’d require a miracle.

It’s a bit hypocritical calling out Rowls earlier and then shoehorning Brexit into a football debate.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:32 pm

TonbridgeClaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:30 pm
Never gives up, does he?
Its a very valid comparison

I knew it would be very hard for the not so bright to get

My apologies

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Murger » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:33 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:31 pm
Whats the plan now you've won?
What are you on about? What the heck have I won? Dyches brand of football was boring the arse of a lot of people and was taking us 1 way. IMO, I'd go for a manager the complete opposite of Dyche.

Edit: we've nothing to lose by potting Dyche imo.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by claretandbluesky » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:34 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:32 pm
Its a very valid comparison

I knew it would be very hard for the not so bright to get

My apologies
Time to calm down Lancaster and cut out the abuse. Sound like a Corbynista.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:35 pm

DCWat wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:31 pm
Whoever comes in, easily surviving relegation is an impossibility. Scraping survival would be the best anyone could achieve, and that’d require a miracle.

It’s a bit hypocritical calling out Rowls earlier and then shoehorning Brexit into a football debate.
Its a comparison, between winning something (ie getting rid of Dyche and Brexit being won) and not having a plan to deal with the reality of what follows

I mean, honestly, I knew some would struggle with that, but its pretty basic and very valid

I'm not shoehorning the culture war stuff that Rowls does every day on here for starters, and the comparison is a bit harsh

But I'll happily apologise to you mate

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:36 pm

Murger wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:33 pm
What are you on about? What the heck have I won? Dyches brand of football was boring the arse of a lot of people and was taking us 1 way. IMO, I'd go for a manager the complete opposite of Dyche.

Edit: we've nothing to lose by potting Dyche imo.
Christ - you wanted him out

You posted every time we lost

Now you've got what you wanted, what is your plan for the next stage?

It really is that simple
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by TonbridgeClaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:37 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:32 pm
Its a very valid comparison

I knew it would be very hard for the not so bright to get

My apologies
So, not only is your opinion the only one that counts, but those of us with a different opinion are ignorant too? Surprised you haven't mentioned your degree yet!

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:38 pm

claretandbluesky wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:34 pm
Time to calm down Lancaster and cut out the abuse. Sound like a Corbynista.
I'm perfectly calm mate

Anyway, enough with basic comparisons that clearly cut far too close to the bone for some of you

What is the plan now you have achieved what you wanted? (that is more general claretandbluesky, as I have no idea if you wanted him out or not)

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by brexit » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:41 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:23 pm
The only balls of steel on show are from someone daring to post a thread like this.

I’d make it a sticky to show up anyone who agrees with it.
I agree well done bumba

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by barracuda » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:41 pm

Dear Alan Pace,

Please leave our club. Go away. Feck off. Do one. Get Lost. Au revoir. Auf Wiedersehen. Ta da.

And take your mountain of debt with you

You parasite. You fraud. You liar. You are not wanted here. Not at my club.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Murger » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:42 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:36 pm
Christ - you wanted him out

You posted every time we lost

Now you've got what you wanted, what is your plan for the next stage?

It really is that simple
I've responded. I'd make a complete u-turn on Dyches brand of football, and 1 that has a track record of promotion from the championship. Farke or Jokanovich wouldn't be bad shouts.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:42 pm

TonbridgeClaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:37 pm
So, not only is your opinion the only one that counts, but those of us with a different opinion are ignorant too? Surprised you haven't mentioned your degree yet!
Nope, but you and me are not going to agree on stuff, and you clearly have a very set opinion on quite a number of topics

Who would you like to replace Dyche with btw?

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:43 pm

Murger wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:42 pm
I've responded. I'd make a complete u-turn on Dyches brand of football, and 1 that has a track record of promotion from the championship. Farke or Jokanovich wouldn't be bad shouts.
Thanks, it wasn't that hard was it?

Farke, no

Jokanovich is interesting, but he's really not done anything and bombed pretty spectacularly at Sheff United

I agree with the whole restart thing btw, but my choice would be Russell Martin from Swansea

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by buzzclarets79 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:44 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:36 pm
Christ - you wanted him out

Now you've got what you wanted, what is your plan for the next stage?
I could be wrong but I don’t think it’s up to Murger…
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Murger » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:45 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:43 pm
Thanks, it wasn't that hard was it?

Farke, no

Jokanovich is interesting, but he's really not done anything and bombed pretty spectacularly at Sheff United

I agree with the whole restart thing btw, but my choice would be Russell Martin from Swansea
Wasn't there behind the scenes problems at Sheffield Utd?

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by brexit » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:45 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:03 pm
Goes without saying that the Dyche out lot are completely incapable of naming a replacement that will magically change our team into one that will easily survive relegation

Bit like Brexit really, celebrating it like mad but not having a plan that works to replace it
I have named my replacement Ole Gunnar - will be announced on Monday
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by fatboy47 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:46 pm

Murger wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:33 pm


Edit: we've nothing to lose by potting Dyche imo.

Apart from just about the only bloke you'd put your shirt on getting us back up next season.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:47 pm

buzzclarets79 wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:44 pm
I could be wrong but I don’t think it’s up to Murger…
No, but he has to have an opinion!

I didn't want Dyche out, mainly because I wasn't sure that its a good idea to do it at this stage

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:47 pm

Murger wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:45 pm
Wasn't there behind the scenes problems at Sheffield Utd?
Dunno, but wouldn't surprise me

But to think Heckingbottom being the solution it must have been pretty bad

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by DCWat » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:48 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:35 pm
Its a comparison, between winning something (ie getting rid of Dyche and Brexit being won) and not having a plan to deal with the reality of what follows

I mean, honestly, I knew some would struggle with that, but its pretty basic and very valid

I'm not shoehorning the culture war stuff that Rowls does every day on here for starters, and the comparison is a bit harsh

But I'll happily apologise to you mate
I don’t really get the Brexit comparison.

I’m no fan of Pace, there must though (surely :shock:) be a plan in place. Quite whether that’s something that the majority of us will buy into, is a different matter.

They’ve not sat down as a group and thought “let’s sack Sean and see what happens from there”. So, in all likelihood, there most certainly is a plan.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by dandeclaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:48 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:01 pm
Why? If Sean Dyche is setting up teams that will takes us down, why should he be "afforded the opportunity to finish the season?" You only do that if you want the team to go down. If Alan Pace has decided that Sean Dyche isn't working any more, then you fix the problem and do it quickly. Tough or otherwise, the only "proper goodbye" is a "short goodbye."

UTC
Hi Paul…. I believe you forgot “exciting times” you may still be able to edit.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by TonbridgeClaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:49 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:42 pm
Nope, but you and me are not going to agree on stuff, and you clearly have a very set opinion on quite a number of topics

Who would you like to replace Dyche with btw?
No problem, we all have strong views. I'd be happy with Farke or Santo, maybe Wilder at a push. Just want to watch better football week after week. The atmosphere in the fans at full time in Norwich spoke volumes.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:52 pm

TonbridgeClaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:49 pm
No problem, we all have strong views. I'd be happy with Farke or Santo, maybe Wilder at a push. Just want to watch better football week after week. The atmosphere in the fans at full time in Norwich spoke volumes.
Yeah, I do like the idea of better football, but I suspect that isn't going to be easy to do over night

I could cope with Dycheball when it kept us in the prem, but I'd lost interest to the stage where I've done no away games this year, and only one the year before

If it is Big Sam, then I'll take my season ticket and come back next season when he's gone

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by DCWat » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:52 pm

TonbridgeClaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:49 pm
No problem, we all have strong views. I'd be happy with Farke or Santo, maybe Wilder at a push. Just want to watch better football week after week. The atmosphere in the fans at full time in Norwich spoke volumes.
I don’t get wanting Farke. He achieved far less with Norwich than Dyche did with us. Weren’t Santo’s demands too much for Palace - with his huge back room staff etc. When has he managed successfully on a limited budget?

I want to see a suggestion that’s better than who we have just binned off. Im yet to see one.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by brexit » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:53 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:55 pm
you are the same people who wanted a new chairmen. then you wanted a new manger. be careful what you keep wishing for. i despise you guys. not true Burnley fans. you are the minority, if that.
Actually we are in the minority on this board due to a quirk of evolution. The majority of fans are Burnley fans not Dyche Fans. They want the best for the club and are sick and tired of seeing the same hoofball from a dinosaur who can't trust youth or change tactics dung a match.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:53 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:48 pm
Hi Paul…. I believe you forgot “exciting times” you may still be able to edit.
Tempted to add after every post "Proper f**ked UTC!"
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:54 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:48 pm
Hi Paul…. I believe you forgot “exciting times” you may still be able to edit.
Sorry, dande, not forgotten "exciting times" but, today's news doesn't fit my criteria. Let's hope that's what the future brings.

UTC

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:54 pm

DCWat wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:48 pm
I don’t really get the Brexit comparison.

I’m no fan of Pace, there must though (surely :shock:) be a plan in place. Quite whether that’s something that the majority of us will buy into, is a different matter.

They’ve not sat down as a group and thought “let’s sack Sean and see what happens from there”. So, in all likelihood, there most certainly is a plan.
I hope there is a plan, but when the U23s coaches and the injured captain are the leaders for the next game then I'm not as confident as you are!
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by buzzclarets79 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:55 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:47 pm
No, but he has to have an opinion!

I didn't want Dyche out, mainly because I wasn't sure that its a good idea to do it at this stage
We’ll know at 17:50 on the 22nd May for 100% sure if it was a good move or not, potentially sooner but in 5 weeks all shall be revealed.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by bf2k » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:55 pm

DCWat wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:48 pm

They’ve not sat down as a group and thought “let’s sack Sean and see what happens from there”. So, in all likelihood, there most certainly is a plan.
You’d hope there is a plan but the £1m question is “is it a good plan”? On face value, purely on timing alone, it’s Diane look like one…if there is one
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:55 pm

buzzclarets79 wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:44 pm
I could be wrong but I don’t think it’s up to Murger…
Always reasons to be thankful. Even on days like this.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Murger » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:55 pm

DCWat wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:52 pm
I don’t get wanting Farke. He achieved far less with Norwich than Dyche did with us. Weren’t Santo’s demands too much for Palace - with his huge back room staff etc. When has he managed successfully on a limited budget?

I want to see a suggestion that’s better than who we have just binned off. Im yet to see one.
But he has 2 promotions under his belt.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by DCWat » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:58 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:54 pm
I hope there is a plan, but when the U23s coaches and the injured captain are the leaders for the next game then I'm not as confident as you are!
Other than have someone immediately lined up, there’s probably little other choice. I’m not confident in whatever their plan may be, but I’m sure that they have one.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by DCWat » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:59 pm

Murger wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:55 pm
But he has 2 promotions under his belt.
But no record of keeping a team up.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by TonbridgeClaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:02 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:52 pm
Yeah, I do like the idea of better football, but I suspect that isn't going to be easy to do over night

I could cope with Dycheball when it kept us in the prem, but I'd lost interest to the stage where I've done no away games this year, and only one the year before

If it is Big Sam, then I'll take my season ticket and come back next season when he's gone
Blimey, we agree on something! I can't stand Big Sam, or the type of football his teams play.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Somethingfishy » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:09 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:23 pm
The only balls of steel on show are from someone daring to post a thread like this.

I’d make it a sticky to show up anyone who agrees with it.
Hook..line..and sinker... :D

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Longtimeclaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:15 pm

The current Chairman and the extended owners are clueless and also potless.The latter is more worrying
The previous ownership have benefitted significantly from the sale of the Club
The majority of Claret fans can see it for what it is
An absolute F***kin joke at Boardroom level
Sean Dyche has done wonders for our club, and sacking him is insane
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:18 pm

TonbridgeClaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:02 pm
Blimey, we agree on something! I can't stand Big Sam, or the type of football his teams play.
I think everyone wants to see better football, but that won't necessarily be winning football

After Cotterill, we were already for a bit of up and at them, and Coyle provided it (oh boy)

I'm not sure that will be possible this time, but aiming for a coach that plays possession based football would be a start I think

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by tiger76 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:18 pm

Bold move by Alan Pace, but whether it's been the right move will only become clear once Sean's successor is revealed.

And many of the names being linked don't fill me with confidence I have to say.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:34 pm

bumba wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:20 pm
Well done Alan Pace and his team you've shown you've balls of steel when we need it, you've sacked a failing club Legend when many wouldn't of. Bring in the right man and you've given us a real chance of staying up!
Your stocks risen with me, keep up the good work and bring the right man in to save our club!
Potentially yes but it seems the next man (right or wrong) hasn't been lined up, so we have three options:
1. Persuade an employed manager that leaving their job for us is a good decision.
2. Be held to random by an out of work mercenary
3. Go with Jackson & Mee

Option 1 seems unlikely
I can't see option 3 keeping us up
Option 2 fills me with dread.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Lew200100 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:35 pm

Has most people would agree Dyche has been fantastic but it is time for change that me go either way.

I’d personally like to see some of the youth coming into the team in the championship. Dyche wouldn’t entertain this. In certain games this year we could have brought youth on for speed and enthusiasm. I know this wouldn’t have brought many extra points but if you was in the under 23’s at Burnley you would think what is the point as with the exception of McNeil nobody has had a sniff.

There has been no glimmer of light for them. Hopefully this should change

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Claretitus » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:37 pm

The point is, as supporters/fans , we all have an opinion. Mine FWIW , is Sean did a great job. A better job than any one of us could have hoped for, when he was first appointed. He took us up against all odds, then, predictably down. Then, up again, and again, against all odds , kept keeping us up, with an unbelievable 7th place finish, and a European jolly. BRILLIANT!! BUT, we’ve gone backwards, are nailed on for relegation, play awful football, no plan B, same old predictable 442, etc etc. We had to make a change, ok probably 4 months too late, but no way if he’d have been in charge in the Championship next season, would we have been challenging top 6. No way.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:13 pm

Sean did the best he could with what he'd got.
I'm finding it difficult to imagine how athe new bloke will even get near to doing as well as has.
If replacements don't come in, we're screwed and have just sacked a bloke with a fabulous championship record. It doesn't make sense.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:16 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:18 pm
I think everyone wants to see better football, but that won't necessarily be winning football

After Cotterill, we were already for a bit of up and at them, and Coyle provided it (oh boy)
Coyle's brand of football was a breath ofv fresh air.
I have to say i was surprised that it got us promoted, but that season was brilliant.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by Claret3495 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:19 pm

I don't expect us to stay up, but if we do, the vast majority might shut up pretty quickly
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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by brexit » Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:32 pm

Claret3495 wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:19 pm
I don't expect us to stay up, but if we do, the vast majority might shut up pretty quickly
Love the sentiment but there are a hard cod eon this message board who relate every even to the orient game, call coyle judas and blame garlick\pace for Dyches departure will never accept the decision - see various Brexit debates across this board.
They are easily identifiable by using the terms "my" "our" club. They won't accept that BFC is a commercial enterprise which has made a decision because they want to keep the club as a viable commercial concern.
BFC is not a football club it is a commercial opportunity where revenues need to be maximized Dyche's tactics and decisions threatened that goal so the the threat was removed.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace

Post by TsarBomba » Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:40 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:03 pm
Goes without saying that the Dyche out lot are completely incapable of naming a replacement that will magically change our team into one that will easily survive relegation

Bit like Brexit really, celebrating it like mad but not having a plan that works to replace it
Lancaster- I’ve never understood the argument that if you can’t name a suitable replacement for Dyche instantly off the top of your head, then there isn’t anyone able to take the job on. After all, how many of us would have suggested Dyche when Howe got potted? Probably not a single one of us.

I don’t agree with Dyche going now. The timing is wrong for a start, and he was the best person to get us promoted. It would have been far easier for ALK to sack Dyche after relegation, which prompts the question, why now?

I don’t buy the club statement that sacking Dyche is the best way to keep us up. After all, Dyche has kept us up for the past 5 seasons. The club statement only holds water if players have gone to Pace and given an ultimatum of sorts, or if Dyche has lost the dressing room, which has prompted the decision today.

I suppose we’ll never really know. It’s a sad day for sure, but no-one is bigger than the club.

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