Big news coming soon from the Turf (Sean Dyche sacked)

[BabylonClaret]

that's shocked it's actually happened - not an indication of their delight or not

Article says "It’s been a shock to the players, that is human nature. But they are an experienced group. It is about the whole club coming together, bunkering in and concentrating on what we need to do.’" thats a quote from Jackson and doesn't to me suggest that the players are largely relieved - suggest they've had to regroup. If they'd been grumbling in the background Ito the owners Id expect there to be either no reference or words a little less dynamic. He's suggesting that they've had to get over this.

There's no appointment in the direct pipeline either. Unless the club is playing super close to the chest.

Will be interesting this week that's for sure.

[Hipper]

Until recently I didn't know that Dyche had less or even no say in recruiting. That is not the right way to manage a team.

I can see an argument that says he should be more open to overseas players say, but as his team was about 'togetherness' and Dyche's framework it's even more important that it should have been left to him. I also wondered if he'd been 'encouraged' to play a bit more open style this season which, if so, clearly hasn't worked. No wonder the team's been a mess most of this season.

If all this is true then Dyche is a victim of other people's interference.

[Murger]

Until recently I didn't know that Dyche had less or even no say in recruiting. That is not the right way to manage a team.

I can see an argument that says he should be more open to overseas players say, but as his team was about 'togetherness' and Dyche's framework it's even more important that it should have been left to him. I also wondered if he'd been 'encouraged' to play a bit more open style this season which, if so, clearly hasn't worked. No wonder the team's been a mess most of this season.

If all this is true then Dyche is a victim of other people's interference.

Is that yet another excuse?

[Swizzlestick]

Until recently I didn't know that Dyche had less or even no say in recruiting. That is not the right way to manage a team.

I can see an argument that says he should be more open to overseas players say, but as his team was about 'togetherness' and Dyche's framework it's even more important that it should have been left to him. I also wondered if he'd been 'encouraged' to play a bit more open style this season which, if so, clearly hasn't worked. No wonder the team's been a mess most of this season.

If all this is true then Dyche is a victim of other people's interference.

Nah, not having this. Dyche was very clear that Weghorst had been a long term recruitment target, for example. Collins? Roberts? You’re telling me the all happened without his input? Like he would’ve accepted that. This is just seems like a narrative made up to excuse his failures.

[Zom Zom]

There's no appointment in the direct pipeline either. Unless the club is playing super close to the chest.

Will be interesting this week that's for sure.

I would be very surprised if there is no replacement already in the pipeline. Pace is a very shrewd businessman, and although I think the timing of the decision is dreadful, I would imagine, knowing how important it is to him that we stay in this division, certain things will already be in place.

My thinking also is, if that is the case, whoever is lined up has insisted he brings his own backroom staff in, which might be the reason so many have been shown the door?

[jrgbfc]

Until recently I didn't know that Dyche had less or even no say in recruiting. That is not the right way to manage a team.

I can see an argument that says he should be more open to overseas players say, but as his team was about 'togetherness' and Dyche's framework it's even more important that it should have been left to him. I also wondered if he'd been 'encouraged' to play a bit more open style this season which, if so, clearly hasn't worked. No wonder the team's been a mess most of this season.

If all this is true then Dyche is a victim of other people's interference.

Barely won a game for 18 months but obviously none of it's Sean's fault. His insistence on buying ageing British players is the reason our squad is such a mess.

[kentonclaret]

For me Sean Dyche overstepped the mark when he fell out with the chairman over the contract situations of Hart, Lennon, Bardsley and Hendrick,
The players apparently were not prepared to sign a one month extension. Dyche threw his toys out and, for me, was lucky to keep his job.
And let's face it, nothing much has gone right since.

Why be so determined to extend the contract of Bardsley when he has appeared just four times in two seasons in the Premier League and not since February 2021. Dyche has not called on him in the PL this season despite naming him on the bench on 24 occasions.

[CnBtruntru]

For me Sean Dyche overstepped the mark when he fell out with the chairman over the contract situations of Hart, Lennon, Bardsley and Hendrick,
The players apparently were not prepared to sign a one month extension. Dyche threw his toys out and, for me, was lucky to keep his job.
And let's face it, nothing much has gone right since.

Do you you have proof of this, or is this just speculation?

[CoolClaret]

Barely won a game for 18 months but obviously none of it's Sean's fault. His insistence on buying ageing British players is the reason our squad is such a mess.

Or is it because Garlick didn’t make any funds available in the last 2-3 years of his time as Chairman & majority shareholder?

Because Dyche 2014-18 certainly didn’t mind spending a few quid on young players with growth potential:

- Keane, Gray, Tarky, Brady (ok bad signing), Hendrick, Taylor, Wood, Pope, JBG

[gandhisflipflop]

Or is it because Garlick didn’t make any funds available in the last 2-3 years of his time as Chairman & majority shareholder?

Because Dyche 2014-18 certainly didn’t mind spending a few quid on young players with growth potential:

- Keane, Gray, Tarky, Brady (ok bad signing), Hendrick, Taylor, Wood, Pope, JBG

I think it’s a bit of both. Which baffles me how any supporters can lay the blame on ALK.

[fidelcastro]

Barely won a game for 18 months but obviously none of it's Sean's fault. His insistence on buying ageing British players is the reason our squad is such a mess.

Those well known ageing and British players - Weghorst, Cornet and Collins

[Lancasterclaret]

I think it’s a bit of both. Which baffles me how any supporters can lay the blame on ALK.

I don't think I'm blaming ALK, or blaming Sean Dyche, or blaming Garlick

Fact is that situation with COVID over the past three years have complicated stuff a lot, and we started off with a squad that desperately needed a big rebuild two seasons ago

We've just not been able to do enough, and a lot of that is because we are fighting against clubs owned by billionaires

All good things come to an end, and it feels increasingly like this is ours

Hey ho, as long as the solution isn't BFS then we will see where we end up

[spt_claret]

Until recently I didn't know that Dyche had less or even no say in recruiting. That is not the right way to manage a team.

I can see an argument that says he should be more open to overseas players say, but as his team was about 'togetherness' and Dyche's framework it's even more important that it should have been left to him. I also wondered if he'd been 'encouraged' to play a bit more open style this season which, if so, clearly hasn't worked. No wonder the team's been a mess most of this season.

If all this is true then Dyche is a victim of other people's interference.

There were reports for several years under Garlick that Dyche wanted to use the overseas market more and Garlick was mistrustful.

For years there was much talk of Dyches use of analytics and statistical performance metrics, this often can be applied to scouting as well as coaching.

Takin that into account this strikes me less about Pace looking overseas vs Dyche staying domestic, and more specific individuals being targeted differently. We were linked with foreign central midfielders multiple times to no avail, but did successfully bring in a flair winger/wingback in Cornet who despite individual flashes of brilliance has struggled to find how to fit into our team as a whole.

My gut says it was probably a battle between good value flair players who can be quickly sold at profit if they impress, vs less eyecatching or profitable players who will fit better into the approach of incrementally improving the team.

We keep asking why we haven't strengthened central midfield, I think this might be why.

[Colburn_Claret]

Until recently I didn't know that Dyche had less or even no say in recruiting. That is not the right way to manage a team.

I can see an argument that says he should be more open to overseas players say, but as his team was about 'togetherness' and Dyche's framework it's even more important that it should have been left to him. I also wondered if he'd been 'encouraged' to play a bit more open style this season which, if so, clearly hasn't worked. No wonder the team's been a mess most of this season.

If all this is true then Dyche is a victim of other people's interference.

The framework, which was necessary, should have been a stepping stone to better things.
I like the players recruited under Pace. Roberts and Collins good young pros, Weghorst and Max that extra bit of class. The problem is we didn't step up, we continued with 'the framework ', and the team and new players struggled because of it.
We needed some midfielders to bring it together, but Max and Weghorst in particular, have suffered badly, God knows what it has done to their confidence.

We have to be a lot braver going forward, take some risks, and go for it. It may or may not work, but at least we can say we tried. You can play well and get beat, but another Norwich performance and a lot more people would have been on Sean's back.

[Blakesboots]

Why be so determined to extend the contract of Bardsley when he has appeared just four times in two seasons in the Premier League and not since February 2021. Dyche has not called on him in the PL this season despite naming him on the bench on 24 occasions.

There’s more to a dressing room than playing week in week out

[jrgbfc]

Those well known ageing and British players - Weghorst, Cornet and Collins

Were those Dyche signings, or more to do with ALK? I'd be amazed if it was Dyche who pushed for Cornet, for example.

[taio]

This is a good article which sums up how I and many Burnley supporters appear to feel right now while acknowledging there are important unanswered questions: https://www.football365.com/news/opinio ... ubs-future

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Why be so determined to extend the contract of Bardsley when he has appeared just four times in two seasons in the Premier League and not since February 2021. Dyche has not called on him in the PL this season despite naming him on the bench on 24 occasions.

Bardsley is retiring this summer I think.
We renewed his deal in March last year, long before we signed Roberts and let's not forget Roberts was also recovering from injury when we signed him.
He's got his coaching badges and in his own words he's been helping younger players progress/improve and also supporting the senior team despite the fact he hasn't been playing.

If Bardsley hasn't played much in two seasons then it's mainly because Lowton has been playing well, something he also acknowledges.

Dyche has always had a more senior player around to help keep the dressing room harmonious

[jrgbfc]

Bardsley is retiring this summer I think.
We renewed his deal in March last year, long before we signed Roberts and let's not forget Roberts was also recovering from injury when we signed him.
He's got his coaching badges and in his own words he's been helping younger players progress/improve and also supporting the senior team despite the fact he hasn't been playing.

If Bardsley hasn't played much in two seasons then it's mainly because Lowton has been playing well, something he also acknowledges.

Dyche has always had a more senior player around to help keep the dressing room harmonious

Wouldn't be surprised to see Bardsley end up at Derby with his mate.

[Papabendi]

Been in and around the mix for Salford FC

[BabylonClaret]

I would be very surprised if there is no replacement already in the pipeline. Pace is a very shrewd businessman, and although I think the timing of the decision is dreadful, I would imagine, knowing how important it is to him that we stay in this division, certain things will already be in place.

My thinking also is, if that is the case, whoever is lined up has insisted he brings his own backroom staff in, which might be the reason so many have been shown the door?

That makes sense but what doesn't make sense is that if we've booted everyone on that premise we must be 100% sure the new team are coming in and therefore could announce this rather than have a limbo status here if it's true I expect an announcement tomorrow

[Zom Zom]

...if it's true I expect an announcement tomorrow

Fingers crossed

[Steddyman]

Until recently I didn't know that Dyche had less or even no say in recruiting. That is not the right way to manage a team.

I can see an argument that says he should be more open to overseas players say, but as his team was about 'togetherness' and Dyche's framework it's even more important that it should have been left to him. I also wondered if he'd been 'encouraged' to play a bit more open style this season which, if so, clearly hasn't worked. No wonder the team's been a mess most of this season.

If all this is true then Dyche is a victim of other people's interference.

When the manager is bringing in aged 30+ players and you want resale value to support your business model, that is exactly the right way to manage a team.

[BabylonClaret]

Fingers crossed

I think we need to cross more than fingers!!! It would probably the first appintmemt made where there were no press rumours at all in advance

[Steddyman]

This is a good article which sums up how I and many Burnley supporters appear to feel right now while acknowledging there are important unanswered questions: https://www.football365.com/news/opinio ... ubs-future

It doesn't represent my views. We were almostly certainly going to be mirroring the trajectory of Bolton and Blackpool without a change.

[CoolClaret]

I think it’s a bit of both. Which baffles me how any supporters can lay the blame on ALK.

Because they have plunged us into debt and got rid of the most successful manager that we’ve had since Harry Potts? He’s the reason why we were an established PL club that they could frigging buy in the first place!

[Jakubclaret]

Because they have plunged us into debt and got rid of the most successful manager that we’ve had since Harry Potts? He’s the reason why we were an established PL club that they could frigging buy in the first place!

They don’t give a flying fig about that all that’s of interest to them is making money & the cause for concern were investments plummeting, you should know that & you probably do without me reminding you.

[taio]

It doesn't represent my views. We were almostly certainly going to be mirroring the trajectory of Bolton and Blackpool without a change.

Fair enough. I think it represents many supporters' views though. Hopefully the trajectory you refer to won't happen but I feel it's more likely without Dyche than with him.

[pushpinpussy]

ive not read any of this thread but i assume people have heard the rumours regarding Dyche and Duncan Ferguson after the Everton game. .

[daveisaclaret]

ive not read any of this thread but i assume people have heard the rumours regarding Dyche and Duncan Ferguson after the Everton game. .

And if anyone who believes these rumours could get in touch with me, I have a bridge to sell you.

[Blakesboots]

ive not read any of this thread but i assume people have heard the rumours regarding Dyche and Duncan Ferguson after the Everton game. .

Tough call, but I’d back Ferguson in a fair fight.

[Chester Perry]

Tough call, but I’d back Ferguson in a fair fight.

I thought the rumour was they teamed up

[GodIsADeeJay81]

And if anyone who believes these rumours could get in touch with me, I have a bridge to sell you.

You're going to regret that, your phone will be ringing off the hook

[Blakesboots]

I thought the rumour was they teamed up

I have no idea about that.

I’d take Lampard in a swop

[Paul Waine]

This is a good article which sums up how I and many Burnley supporters appear to feel right now while acknowledging there are important unanswered questions: https://www.football365.com/news/opinio ... ubs-future

Poor article, in my opinion. Ian King talks generality about "finances" nothing specific to Burnley. He says nothing about relegation clauses and the reduction of wages outside Premier League.

Surely, best decision for any owner (why does King prefer to "hedge fund?" ALK are not hedge fund) is to do whatever they can to keep the team in the Premier League. Agreed, Sean Dyche has been in this situation before and managed to stay up. But, as Sean Dyche has always told us "the last one doesn't owe you the next one." That probably explains why the decision comes so late in the season.

Games is kicking off shortly.

COME ON YOU BURNLEY CLARETS.

[gandhisflipflop]

Because they have plunged us into debt and got rid of the most successful manager that we’ve had since Harry Potts? He’s the reason why we were an established PL club that they could frigging buy in the first place!

Literally every other club has debt. The debt is serviceable, not all debt is bad debt. And the Dyche that was sacked wasn’t the same Dyche that performed miracles from 2012-2019. Don’t be so short sighted. We will be fine.

[paulatky]

Literally every other club has debt. The debt is serviceable, not all debt is bad debt. And the Dyche that was sacked wasn’t the same Dyche that performed miracles from 2012-2019. Don’t be so short sighted. We will be fine.

I have a feeling those words will come back to haunt you !!!

[gandhisflipflop]

I have a feeling those words will come back to haunt you !!!

They may well do, but it’s like the whole fan base is **** scared of change. The owners need time to turn the ship around, and in my opinion they will get it right.

[Blakesboots]

Literally every other club has debt. The debt is serviceable, not all debt is bad debt. And the Dyche that was sacked wasn’t the same Dyche that performed miracles from 2012-2019. Don’t be so short sighted. We will be fine.

Totally agree

[scouseclaret]

I would be very surprised if there is no replacement already in the pipeline. Pace is a very shrewd businessman, and although I think the timing of the decision is dreadful, I would imagine, knowing how important it is to him that we stay in this division, certain things will already be in place.

My thinking also is, if that is the case, whoever is lined up has insisted he brings his own backroom staff in, which might be the reason so many have been shown the door?

What’s your evidence that Pace is a “shrewd” businessman? As far as I can see, most of what wealth he has accumulated appears to have been from paid employment. Paying massively over the odds for a lower-ranking Premier League football club that was always likely to get relegated sooner or later, awarding its most important employee a huge 4 year contract and then sacking him 9 months later doesn’t appear particularly “shrewd” to me.

[RVclaret]

Literally every other club has debt. The debt is serviceable, not all debt is bad debt. And the Dyche that was sacked wasn’t the same Dyche that performed miracles from 2012-2019. Don’t be so short sighted. We will be fine.

Here here!!

[Nonayforever]

I'm really looking forward to CTs article on Dyche’s time here.
It will be a good read not withstanding the sad ending.

Whatever the rights and wrongs its been a great journey.

[elwaclaret]

I'm really looking forward to CTs article on Dyche’s time here.
It will be a good read not withstanding the sad ending.

Whatever the rights and wrongs its been a great journey.

Like anyone sensible, Tony I’m sure will be waiting until there is some substance as to why it happened before fastening his colours to the mast. People are jumping to conclusions for all we know it may have been a gang bang in the Directors lounge that Pace walked in on that cost SD’s crew their jobs.
(Not suggesting it was.. btw)

[paulatky]

Literally every other club has debt. The debt is serviceable, not all debt is bad debt. And the Dyche that was sacked wasn’t the same Dyche that performed miracles from 2012-2019. Don’t be so short sighted. We will be fine.

Where’s the £70m that’s due by the end of June going to come from if we are relegated.

Having a £500,000 with a salary of £100,000 is fine but if that salary drops to £30,000 ………….

[elwaclaret]

Where’s the £70m that’s due by the end of June going to come from if we are relegated.

Having a £500,000 with a salary of £100,000 is fine but if that salary drops to £30,000 ………….

FACT is we don’t know, nor can we do anything to find out? Do we know for example if a major investor has stipulated they would only get involved under a different manager? No.

[taio]

FACT is we don’t know, nor can we do anything to find out? Do we know for example if a major investor has stipulated they would only get involved under a different manager? No.

So where don't have the full picture people will form a view based on what we do know. That is the club was taken over using a leverage buyout and the club's substantial cash reserves which has led to significant debt. I believe the debt is serviceable while we retain PL revenues but in the event we don't we could be in real trouble. That level of risk doesn't sit comfortable with me especially when it is only a matter of time before we are relegated given the huge over-achievement under Dyche.

[elwaclaret]

So where don't have the full picture people will form a view based on what we do know. That is the club was taken over using a leverage buyout and the club's substantial cash reserves which has led to significant debt. I believe the debt is serviceable while we retain PL revenues but in the event we don't we could be in real trouble. That level of risk doesn't sit comfortable with me especially when it is only a matter of time before we are relegated given the huge over-achievement under Dyche.

The club was sold because the owner and manager didn’t have the respect for each other to even be in the same room. We had no signings because we had a chairman who could not balance his need to make the club successful with the fact he would also make Dyche even less sackable. We were heading down and any pot we had to **** in would have evaporated soon enough, with no chance of things getting better. The club was sold to the group who looked less like charlatans than the others that wanted it.

As I understand it there was not a queue of people breaking down the door to take over and a chairman who just wanted out.

[taio]

The club was sold because the owner and manager didn’t have the respect for each other to even be in the same room. We had no signings because we had a chairman who could not balance his need to make the club successful with the fact he would also make Dyche even less sackable. We were heading down and any pot we had to **** in would have evaporated soon enough, with no chance of things getting better. The club was sold to the group who looked less like charlatans than the others that wanted it.

As I understand it there was not a queue of people breaking down the door to take over and a chairman who just wanted out.

And the difference now is if we go down we do so with significant debt.

We made no signings towards the end of Garlick's tenure because Pace needed the cash in the bank to enable the acquisition.

[elwaclaret]

And the difference now is if we go down we do so with significant debt.

We made no signings towards the end of Garlick's tenure because Pace needed the cash in the bank to enable the acquisition.

I’d be very careful about making assumptions like that, and even more careful about writing them down.

[taio]

I’d be very careful about making assumptions like that, and even more careful about writing them down.

I don't need to be careful. I'm happy to repeat that Pace relied upon the club's cash reserves in order to buy the club and the size of those cash reserves occurred because of a lack of player purchases in Garlick's final transfer window.