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Absolute nonsenseUpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:07 amDo you really think he'd come out in an interview and say 'He's not capable of playing out from the back'?
But we know he isn't
And Gareth Southgate knows he isn't
There's no way that Nick Pope leaves Burnley with 1 year and a 1 year option on his contract for 10 million if VK fancied him as number one.
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I disagree, he's more than capable. Our players didn't want to receive the ball.UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:07 amDo you really think he'd come out in an interview and say 'He's not capable of playing out from the back'?
But we know he isn't
And Gareth Southgate knows he isn't
There's no way that Nick Pope leaves Burnley with 1 year and a 1 year option on his contract for 10 million if VK fancied him as number one.
It changed a little when Dyche was potted but for most of his time here the instructions were to kick long to the wings hoping to win a throw.
I certainly don't want a keeper who thinks he's Glenn Hoddle because the press have built you up though.
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I think unless a big club offers 40m plus, we should be rejecting. The only way I’d accept less is if they include an option of a loan back and a sell on fee for example - 25m and we get him back on loan for this season to continue his development
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Must be watching different players. I always thought he looked a deer in the headlights with the ball at his feet.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:41 amI disagree, he's more than capable. Our players didn't want to receive the ball.
It changed a little when Dyche was potted but for most of his time here the instructions were to kick long to the wings hoping to win a throw.
I certainly don't want a keeper who thinks he's Glenn Hoddle because the press have built you up though.
I think he'd have way more caps for England if he was capable also.
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If you keep telling people to play safe, you're not good enough, they won't have much confidenceUpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:46 amMust be watching different players. I always thought he looked a deer in the headlights with the ball at his feet.
I think he'd have way more caps for England if he was capable also.
Just look at Tarky in his Brentford days, as a ball playing CH. He soon lost that tag at Burnley.
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I mean, that's true to an extent, but Pope struggling to hit targets with low pressure or free kicks..Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:51 amIf you keep telling people to play safe, you're not good enough, they won't have much confidence
Just look at Tarky in his Brentford days, as a ball playing CH. He soon lost that tag at Burnley.
I don't think anyone could ever envisage him switching a ball first time 35 yards to the opposite wing with any degree of accuracy..
I'd of been amazed anyway.
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How many of our outfield players would you have trust in for that?UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:54 amI mean, that's true to an extent, but Pope struggling to hit targets with low pressure or free kicks..
I don't think anyone could ever envisage him switching a ball first time 35 yards to the opposite wing with any degree of accuracy..
I'd of been amazed anyway.
I was meaning basic 10 yard passes.
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I could make basic 10 yard passes. This is playing out from the back at a professional level, not Barrowford Celtic U10sQuickenthetempo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:59 amHow many of our outfield players would you have trust in for that?
I was meaning basic 10 yard passes.
Something tells me that VK might want a bit more than a tap to a centre back.
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Along with Ben Wiles hopefully
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Lets hope it works out for him.UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:02 amI could make basic 10 yard passes. This is playing out from the back at a professional level, not Barrowford Celtic U10s
Something tells me that VK might want a bit more than a tap to a centre back.
I was watching a short clip of an interview with Keith Treacy this morning on Collins leaving. He said it would be best for him as Burnley fans aren't patient enough for defenders passing it around.
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How would Treacy know? He was ****** all the timeQuickenthetempo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:35 amLets hope it works out for him.
I was watching a short clip of an interview with Keith Treacy this morning on Collins leaving. He said it would be best for him as Burnley fans aren't patient enough for defenders passing it around.
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Strikers who performed well on Germany don't do very well in the Premier league
Havertz and Werner are cases in point
Havertz and Werner are cases in point
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That's quite interesting.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:35 amLets hope it works out for him.
I was watching a short clip of an interview with Keith Treacy this morning on Collins leaving. He said it would be best for him as Burnley fans aren't patient enough for defenders passing it around.
I am predicting a thread on here within the first couple of games from posters complaining about playing out from the back and plenty of shouts from within the ground.
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I actually agree, I think when we concede a few goals from playing it out from the back there will quickly be complaints
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Glad people have started mentioning this
Its not just the team that have to evolve, its us as a fan base as well
We have to be patient, rather than screaming for the ball to be got forward as quickly as possible
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... about 48 hours ago. Chill!alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:33 amFrom having loads of links flying round, things just appear to have gone a little quiet since the confirmation of Scott twine
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I seem to remember this happening under Howe, particularly when the centre halves split to either side of the keeper to receive a short pass from a goal kick.
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This is the danger in changing style, but fans will need to show patience and buy into Kompany's philosophy if it's to succeed, and not just the fans but the players as well.
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I watched England recently and it did my head in, I just kept wanting them to go longLancasterclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:52 amGlad people have started mentioning this
Its not just the team that have to evolve, its us as a fan base as well
We have to be patient, rather than screaming for the ball to be got forward as quickly as possible
I think some of the older fans will struggle with it, younger lads/lasses have been taught to play this way for a while now.
I can already hear the groans
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Absolutely spot on about the fans needing to evolve into a new style of play as well. For 10 years we’ve been used to seeing the ball hit long and early, and it will definitely take some getting used to.
I can already see the posts on here along the lines of “stop fannying about with it and get it forwards”.
I’m looking forward to a new approach and I hope the majority of fans can be patient with it.
I can already see the posts on here along the lines of “stop fannying about with it and get it forwards”.
I’m looking forward to a new approach and I hope the majority of fans can be patient with it.
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It certainly see this coming from myself even. We've somehow all been made to believe that this is the 'right way' to play football.Burnley1989 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:58 amI watched England recently and it did my head in, I just kept wanting them to go long
I think some of the older fans will struggle with it, younger lads/lasses have been taught to play this way for a while now.
I can already hear the groans
When it's not working it's more boring than a direct style IMO.
We've just got to get behind them and believe the results will come.
We certainly have with other managers from a lot worse positions than we're in now.
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I think it will take some time for fans to adjust. Just look at an england or Man City match day thread and the amount of Fans on this board that complain about playing it out from the back.ksrclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:01 amAbsolutely spot on about the fans needing to evolve into a new style of play as well. For 10 years we’ve been used to seeing the ball hit long and early, and it will definitely take some getting used to.
I can already see the posts on here along the lines of “stop fannying about with it and get it forwards”.
I’m looking forward to a new approach and I hope the majority of fans can be patient with it.
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Lots of complaints about hitting it long and it being dull football.
Now we're playing it short and we need patience because it will be slow
You can't win!
Now we're playing it short and we need patience because it will be slow
You can't win!
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Get it down play it wide
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No, that’s not what’s been said. I never mentioned slow. They are your words.SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:04 amLots of complaints about hitting it long and it being dull football.
Now we're playing it short and we need patience because it will be slow
You can't win!
Patience will be needed because it’ll be new and errors will be made.
You can win.
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Only Burnley fans could start complaining about it before we've even kicked a ballSalisburyClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:04 amLots of complaints about hitting it long and it being dull football.
Now we're playing it short and we need patience because it will be slow
You can't win!
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How many players have come from Bundesliga and made an immediate impact in the Prem?Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:39 amStrikers who performed well on Germany don't do very well in the Premier league
Havertz and Werner are cases in point
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It's not the playing it out from the back that's the problem, it's the playing
about with it at the back that's the problem.
I'm all in favour of playing out from the back provided they make some headway
and progress up the field.
Let's wait and see what transpires before we start to judge.
about with it at the back that's the problem.
I'm all in favour of playing out from the back provided they make some headway
and progress up the field.
Let's wait and see what transpires before we start to judge.
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Nothing wrong with playing out from the back and nothing wrong with getting it forward. Best to do both. Being direct by working the ball forward quickly and incisively rather than just lumping it long.
As long as we aren't dicking around with 2 centre halves in the area at goal kicks every time as that really is shite.
Our best football from the back last season was Pope recycling it quickly either short to one of the centre halves or with a throw down the line to a full back. That is how you play out from the back, not triangles in your own box.
As long as we aren't dicking around with 2 centre halves in the area at goal kicks every time as that really is shite.
Our best football from the back last season was Pope recycling it quickly either short to one of the centre halves or with a throw down the line to a full back. That is how you play out from the back, not triangles in your own box.
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Or what funkydrummer said while I was typing.
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From goal kicks, if you want to play out from the back, it does mean centre halves dropping deep and likely into the box, otherwise, how else? It would be a long ball, or, if the keeper is excellent with his feet, he might pick someone out on the wings / between the lines.quoonbeatz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:12 amNothing wrong with playing out from the back and nothing wrong with getting it forward. Best to do both. Being direct by working the ball forward quickly and incisively rather than just lumping it long.
As long as we aren't dicking around with 2 centre halves in the area at goal kicks every time as that really is shite.
Our best football from the back last season was Pope recycling it quickly either short to one of the centre halves or with a throw down the line to a full back. That is how you play out from the back, not triangles in your own box.
The example you give of Pope is when the ball was still in play, which is different.
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Roberto FirminoBurnley Ace wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:10 amHow many players have come from Bundesliga and made an immediate impact in the Prem?
Heung-Min Son
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
Kevin de Bruyne
Ilkay Gundogan
Bernd Leno......To name a few
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As I said, a bit of both is best. But two centre halves in the box dicking around every time is asking for trouble.RVclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:15 amFrom goal kicks, if you want to play out from the back, it does mean centre halves dropping deep and likely into the box, otherwise, how else? It would be a long ball, or, if the keeper is excellent with his feet, he might pick someone out on the wings / between the lines.
The example you give of Pope is when the ball was still in play, which is different.
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Playing out from the back is fine if there's a purpose. Man City do it to create space then move through it really quickly.Burnley1989 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:58 amI watched England recently and it did my head in, I just kept wanting them to go long
I think some of the older fans will struggle with it, younger lads/lasses have been taught to play this way for a while now.
I can already hear the groans
Gareth Southgate does it as a means to advance to the half way line before passing it backwards again. And he does it really slooooooowly.
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Whilst I was thinking more of the players that cost less than £50m I take your point!! However, First season in the Prem Son played 28 and scored 4, Jadon Sanch 29 and 3, Sane 26 and 5.
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We once had a reputation for demanding the beautiful game, just as West Ham fans and Geordies are demanding now.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:35 amLets hope it works out for him.
I was watching a short clip of an interview with Keith Treacy this morning on Collins leaving. He said it would be best for him as Burnley fans aren't patient enough for defenders passing it around.
There's a reality to what Dyche brought to the club, that most fans recognised was necessary.
We can be just as pragmatic for VK. Fannying around at the back with the ball isn't entertaining, but if it leads to us playing the ball through the field, on the deck, them most fans will love it.
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Ake moved for £40m following Bournemouth's relegation to the ChampionshipNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:02 amI agree with all of that except Our situation is different to White?
The record for a Championship CB moving to the prem is 22m I believe. I think we could get more given his age but not astronomically more.
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I hope that was deliberatewarksclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:52 amI am wondering with the imminent deal to loan out Weghorse
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if we sell Collins for 25 million I hope we demand a 20% sell on clause
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Collins has got to be valued at £30m minimum.
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it's one of the most important things that needs to happen imhoLancasterclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:52 amGlad people have started mentioning this
Its not just the team that have to evolve, its us as a fan base as well
We have to be patient, rather than screaming for the ball to be got forward as quickly as possible
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Burnley1989 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:58 amI watched England recently and it did my head in, I just kept wanting them to go long
I think some of the older fans will struggle with it, younger lads/lasses have been taught to play this way for a while now.
I can already hear the groans
Please God, I hope we don’t play like Gareth Southgate has England playing. Backwards possessive football until it reaches Pickford, who just lumps it forward for players to battle it out in midfield 🫣.
I’m hoping we have a bit more style about us, so we can pick out short, effective passes.
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