From iSport.blesk.cz"I am feeling good. I don't even admit to being out of contract in seven days. I don't even deal with football. I'm not bothering the agent with what's new, if Burnley wants me, I'm not dealing with it at all. It's number one knee for me now, so we'll see. It's healing, although it stopped me a little that I got inflammation, but the antibiotics pulled it out and now I have been thinking for over half a year about what will happen to me.
"Yesterday I called a physiotherapist from Burnley who asked me about the knee. Most importantly, he said that even though I am a free agent, under some FIFA or UEFA rules, clubs have a duty to give the player in question, even if he does not have a contract, all the care he needs to get to the state he was in before. That is, to a state in which I will be ready to play matches. And now it's probably up to me to decide whether I want to go the individual route or return to England and undergo all the convalescence at the club. "
"Now I'm in the Czech Republic and I want to enjoy the Czech Republic a bit, go on holiday with my family and then we'll see. So I'm not completely dealing with it now, and it will turn out as it turns out. "
"When the injury happened to me, they told me that they did not want to leave me in the situation. The season did not end as everyone wanted. After all, about seven games before the end, they fired Sean Dyche. The league saved itself at the last moment, until it didn't work out in the last round, which is a shame. At Aston Villa we had an incredible chance at the end, if we had these two extra points, basically a single point in the last match was enough. Well, somehow it didn't work out. Burnley was looking for a coach for the new season, it was kind of dragging on, so they probably had different worries than me. But we'll see how it turns out. As I say, I am not solving what and what will happen in the coming days, weeks and months, it probably should be. "
"I preferred to stay in England. There were some offers, I don't know what exactly. I'm never so interested in it, because until the papers with a specific offer are on the table, it's just demand. But there was something from America, England, Germany, Turkey and the Czech Republic. "
"But as I say, everything f****d up the injury. So usually when clubs call, for example, they start asking if I'm a free agent, which I am. And then (agent) Ondra Chovanec will say that I made a cross, so either they will say goodbye or they will call. "
"Now I'm in the pit stop in quotes, replacing parts. And we will see. Thirty years is not a bad age. Probably ideal for an attacker. I have some experience, so I will see where I will use it and to whom I will pass it on. "
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They must be old quotes because he implies that the club haven’t yet offered him a contract (which they say they have) and that we’re without a manager (which we aren’t).
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Very much recent quotes. We have offered him something he just isnt decided if we wishes to go with that option. I read the manager lines as him saying the club had bigger fish to fry in the final weeks of the season.agreenwood wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:01 pmThey must be old quotes because he implies that the club haven’t yet offered him a contract (which they say they have) and that we’re without a manager (which we aren’t).
It just reads very much as wait and see, and well, with him having good relationships with football conditioning experts here, and a young family, I can understand his reluctance to return to England to work out in the gym away from his family.
If i had to put money down, i would bet on him signing for Sparta Prague in January, having completed rehab here.
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Basically the rules are, Burnley have to return him to fitness and pay his wages until he is fit to play again.
So when we bought him he was the leading goal scorer in the championship.
So just give him a contract and take advantage of the work to get him fit.
So when we bought him he was the leading goal scorer in the championship.
So just give him a contract and take advantage of the work to get him fit.
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It sounds like he may well not wish to sign such a contract. Sparta Pragues owner is minted so i wouldnt be surprised if they match any offer we madeLowbankclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:05 pmBasically the rules are, Burnley have to return him to fitness and pay his wages until he is fit to play again.
So when we bought him he was the leading goal scorer in the championship.
So just give him a contract and take advantage of the work to get him fit.
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It’s five days ago because he makes reference to being out of contract in seven days.agreenwood wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:01 pmThey must be old quotes because he implies that the club haven’t yet offered him a contract (which they say they have) and that we’re without a manager (which we aren’t).
I’m not aware that we have offered him a contract. Our obligation is to provide him with the rehab until he’s fit but it doesn’t look certain whether he actually wants that from us.
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Feels like we may well have seen the last of Vydra and if so , his time with us has been a real wasted opportunity for a variety of reasons.
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Seems illogical to pay his wages and do his rehab, to then let him sign for someone else. We are going to need goals. I am minded to go back to a question I asked Steve Cots. When he signed a couple of league one players. I asked if he was going to sign more.ŽižkovClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:06 pmIt sounds like he may well not wish to sign such a contract. Sparta Pragues owner is minted so i wouldnt be surprised if they match any offer we made
His reply, league one players are normally playing there for a reason. Sign to many and it’s where you will end up.
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Plus pay his wages until fit. Which would be why we want to do it.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:08 pmIt’s five days ago because he makes reference to being out of contract in seven days.
I’m not aware that we have offered him a contract. Our obligation is to provide him with the rehab until he’s fit but it doesn’t look certain whether he actually wants that from us.
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If he's out of contract, and doesnt sign a new one with us, there's no "letting him go" about it
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He's probably waiting to see if Dyche lands a new job and wants to take him with him like a lot of managers do with players from their previous clubs.
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Obviously we have to pay himLowbankclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:15 pmPlus pay his wages until fit. Which would be why we want to do it.
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why would we have to pay his wages if he is out of contract?Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:15 pmPlus pay his wages until fit. Which would be why we want to do it.
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That’s the rules because he was injured when in contract. Ex Burnley player pointed this out to me.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:18 pmwhy would we have to pay his wages if he is out of contract?
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We have to pay him????Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:05 pmBasically the rules are, Burnley have to return him to fitness and pay his wages until he is fit to play again.
So when we bought him he was the leading goal scorer in the championship.
So just give him a contract and take advantage of the work to get him fit.
So the Bosman ruling basically allows players to walk away for free but if they get injured the club can’t walk away and have to pay him forever?
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Thanks, I didn't know that.Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:19 pmThat’s the rules because he was injured when in contract. Ex Burnley player pointed this out to me.
I guess there is insurance for this?
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Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:17 pmHe's probably waiting to see if Dyche lands a new job and wants to take him with him like a lot of managers do with players from their previous clubs.
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Because there is a rule which obliges us to continue paying him and offering him rehab because he suffered his injury while under contract to us. Not an issue for us, will be covered by insurance.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:18 pmwhy would we have to pay his wages if he is out of contract?
Happened with one of the younger players last season. He was released summer 2021 but stayed until he got fit and then signed for another club.
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Ah well. He never pulled up any trees with us and he’ll be coming back off a serious knee injury halfway through the season. Might then take him months to get back to the kind of sharpness required.
All the best to him in his next endeavour.
All the best to him in his next endeavour.
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Probably not forever, but the cub have to pay him whilst on rehab. So they would want to do the rehab so they know it’s done correctly.
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that's a beauty, DA.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:17 pmHe's probably waiting to see if Dyche lands a new job and wants to take him with him like a lot of managers do with players from their previous clubs.
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He’s never pulled up any trees at Premier League level.agreenwood wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:24 pmAh well. He never pulled up any trees with us and he’ll be coming back off a serious knee injury halfway through the season. Might then take him months to get back to the kind of sharpness required.
All the best to him in his next endeavour.
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I think it was the worst interview he could give considering the changes at our club. Surely with the amount of play time he was given under Dyche, you would think he would relish the chance of wiping the slate clean and proving himself to the new manager. Which makes you think maybe Dyche was absolutely correct in not playing someone with their head not in the Team.
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That is the most ludicrous thing I’ve ever heard. So there’s no risk to the player in running his contract down at all? No wonder they’re all at it.Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:26 pmProbably not forever, but the cub have to pay him whilst on rehab. So they would want to do the rehab so they know it’s done correctly.
I always thought the only reason not to be OOC was career ending injury but seems that’s not really a risk!
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Not ludicrous at all - he sustained that injury which has prevented him from working while on company business for Burnley Football Club. Rightly there are rules in place. It won’t cost us anything.
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I’d have been happy enough with him if he’d not picked up that injury, but aside from probably not being fit until December, you never know what impact a serious injury will have on a the level they can operate at post rehab.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:29 pmHe’s never pulled up any trees at Premier League level.
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Up until this evening I thought the club had done it as a goodwill gesture.
i can be very naive at times
i can be very naive at times
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I saw this injury finish off Brian Miller in the 1960s and Frank Casper in the 1970s. It ended Steve Cotterill’s playing career too in the 1990s.agreenwood wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:45 pmI’d have been happy enough with him if he’d not picked up that injury, but aside from probably not being fit until December, you never know what impact a serious injury will have on a the level they can operate at post rehab.
But time have changed. In recent years we saw Sam Vokes & Ashley Barnes come back successfully and even Michael Duff who had all kind of complications and was told he wouldn’t play again.
It’s a bad injury but nothing like the career ender it used to be.
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No, I get that, but playing again and being just as effective as before are different things. Rodriguez’s knee injuries took a lot out of his game.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:50 pmI saw this injury finish off Brian Miller in the 1960s and Frank Casper in the 1970s. It ended Steve Cotterill’s playing career too in the 1990s.
But time have changed. In recent years we saw Sam Vokes & Ashley Barnes come back successfully and even Michael Duff who had all kind of complications and was told he wouldn’t play again.
It’s a bad injury but nothing like the career ender it used to be.
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Well I’m amazed. Like boatshed bill, thought the club were doing this as a goodwill gesture.
Not that I wish Vyds any bad luck whatsoever but I’m not so keen on the power players hold over clubs really.
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Jay Rod got fit from the injury and then got an infection which led to sepsis and with fears for his life.agreenwood wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:52 pmNo, I get that, but playing again and being just as effective as before are different things. Rodriguez’s knee injuries took a lot out of his game.
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Is us having a duty of care to provide rehab and care the same as having to pay his wages?
I understand he got injured for us so we must make sure we offer him the treatment and access to facilities to get fit, but do we have to pay him as well?
Are we obliged to pay him if he stays in the Czech Republic and doesn’t return to get treatment?
I understand he got injured for us so we must make sure we offer him the treatment and access to facilities to get fit, but do we have to pay him as well?
Are we obliged to pay him if he stays in the Czech Republic and doesn’t return to get treatment?
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It’s not player power. It’s right that he or any other player in that situation should be looked after.
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Given that he apparently played on in the game for some time after actually sustaining the injury I would think the least the club can do is make sure he is properly looked after
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Why would you want multi-million pound organisations to have power over people?
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Reads to me like he is off. I would say we need 2 strikers in then. Jay and Ash will do a great job in Championship, Richardson I don't know enough about his injury problems and so that means we need 2 in.
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When I heard that he’d done it after about half an hour I was stunned but then remember Frank Casper playing in an FA Cup semi a week after he’d got his injury. Lukas Jutkiewicz played on with his, albeit for just a few minutes but then we saw players such as Sam Vokes & Ashley Barnes just couldn’t have continued.randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:07 pmGiven that he apparently played on in the game for some time after actually sustaining the injury I would think the least the club can do is make sure he is properly looked after
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If he's been offered terms, I'm really surprised he's not accepted unless they are pretty poor wages. He must be in a pretty difficult position with his injury as he's need to prove his fitness to prospective employers.
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All that was said was that the club were in discussions. I believe that he would continue to be paid under the terms of his current contract if no new deal was signed.
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Dean Marney V WBA on Sunday also comes to mind? Tried to run an ACL off with a horrible little midfielder trying to nobble him again.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:35 pmWhen I heard that he’d done it after about half an hour I was stunned but then remember Frank Casper playing in an FA Cup semi a week after he’d got his injury. Lukas Jutkiewicz played on with his, albeit for just a few minutes but then we saw players such as Sam Vokes & Ashley Barnes just couldn’t have continued.
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I entirely agree with us supporting his recovery, but not paying him a huge salary when he was out of contract. We’re talking tens of thousands of £ a week and it’s often a players choice not to sign an extended contract (Tarks, Mee, in our case but it’s commonplace), specifically so that they can benefit themselves financially from very lucrative signing on fees/elevated wages. Like Hendrick on £70k pw, etc. I just think that rule perpetuates that behaviour.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:59 pmIt’s not player power. It’s right that he or any other player in that situation should be looked after.
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In reality it will be Insurance money paying him at the rate of his contract from last season.
If he signs a new contract at half the money he will miss out 700k or so by Xmas.
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The club will presumably pay hefty insurance premiums to cover such eventualities.NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:28 pmI entirely agree with us supporting his recovery, but not paying him a huge salary when he was out of contract. We’re talking tens of thousands of £ a week and it’s often a players choice not to sign an extended contract (Tarks, Mee, in our case but it’s commonplace), specifically so that they can benefit themselves financially from very lucrative signing on fees/elevated wages. Like Hendrick on £70k pw, etc. I just think that rule perpetuates that behaviour.
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These guys are multi-millionaires themselves, who have benefited handsomely from lucrative contracts and could easily plan for such an eventuality or pay for appropriate insurances.
I’m a contractor, earn well as I’m disposable at any point on a one weeks notice. I manage my finances accordingly and take critical illness/injury insurance and pay the premiums every month in case the worst happens.
Don’t really see why footballers on multi million £ contracts should be any different.
Possibly different in the lower leagues where the money is very different and of course I fully support assisting their recovery.
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It must be a bit of a beggar if you sign someone who is a complete dud, and then a week or a month or so before you're going to release him on a free, he does a ligament. He might be on the payroll for years if there are complications.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:39 pmAll that was said was that the club were in discussions. I believe that he would continue to be paid under the terms of his current contract if no new deal was signed.
I presume this doesn't apply if he falls off a ladder painting his house, or something non-football like that?
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Well I don't know what job you do but I bet it's more likely that a footballer will pick up an injury at work which prevents them from working. No idea why the club picks up the insurance tab rather than the player, but surely as they have the medical professionals at hand it isn't too much to ask that the club support a player's recovery when their contract has expired. Otherwise players just wouldn't risk playing towards the end of their contract.NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:36 pmThese guys are multi-millionaires themselves, who have benefited handsomely from lucrative contracts and could easily plan for such an eventuality or pay for appropriate insurances.
I’m a contractor, earn well as I’m disposable at any point on a one weeks notice. I manage my finances accordingly and take critical illness/injury insurance and pay the premiums every month in case the worst happens.
Don’t really see why footballers on multi million £ contracts should be any different.
Possibly different in the lower leagues where the money is very different and of course I fully support assisting their recovery.
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Not at all - but it costs us nothing in real terms.NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:28 pmI entirely agree with us supporting his recovery, but not paying him a huge salary when he was out of contract. We’re talking tens of thousands of £ a week and it’s often a players choice not to sign an extended contract (Tarks, Mee, in our case but it’s commonplace), specifically so that they can benefit themselves financially from very lucrative signing on fees/elevated wages. Like Hendrick on £70k pw, etc. I just think that rule perpetuates that behaviour.
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It depends whether loss of sanity is considered a workplace injuryRileybobs wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:31 pmWell I don't know what job you do but I bet it's more likely that a footballer will pick up an injury at work which prevents them from working. No idea why the club picks up the insurance tab rather than the player, but surely as they have the medical professionals at hand it isn't too much to ask that the club support a player's recovery when their contract has expired. Otherwise players just wouldn't risk playing towards the end of their contract.
I’m absolutely agreeing we should support the players recovery and pay for any treatment, etc. I said that immediately when he got injured. It’s just the actually continuation of his salary until he recovers I can’t get my head around.
I’d say that should be an insurance he takes. If it’s the club that takes it for a reasonable fee, that’s not so bad.
I see your point re: players not wanting to play towards the end of their contracts, but in my mind they sign up to do a job for x years and they should honour that. Or not be paid, as I wouldn’t if I didn’t or under performed.
Just generally though I think player power has gone too far. For example, I hear of players “wanting out” now (Weghorst) and some fans saying we must sell everyone who does. I just see it that they’ve signed a contract on terms & should be professional and crack on if the club need or ask them to.
And don’t get me started on agents…