McNeil & O’Hare
-
- Posts: 3323
- Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:15 pm
- Been Liked: 702 times
- Has Liked: 174 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
If Pace decides to sell McNeil for any fee I think that will demonstrate his lack of knowledge of football in general.
If he sells him for around the £10m mark I think that also demonstrates his lack of business acumen.
McNeil, whether you like him or not, is a genuine PL player.
If we have any aspirations of achieving promotion we will need a squad of players like him.
If Pace thinks appointing Kompany as manager and buying league 1 players will produce a PL squad within a season or two, then Pace is seriously deluded.
If he sells him for around the £10m mark I think that also demonstrates his lack of business acumen.
McNeil, whether you like him or not, is a genuine PL player.
If we have any aspirations of achieving promotion we will need a squad of players like him.
If Pace thinks appointing Kompany as manager and buying league 1 players will produce a PL squad within a season or two, then Pace is seriously deluded.
These 4 users liked this post: FCBurnley tiger76 Top Claret alwaysaclaret
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
Surely the question is ‘ if we sell him for 10 million can we buy a better player to replace him’. Not a chance is my reply.
-
- Posts: 3563
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:55 am
- Been Liked: 2604 times
- Has Liked: 301 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
He went from £30m to free and went to a bigger progressive club. He wasn't linked with clubs in Europe, and ended up in a cut price deal going to a championship side..... see the difference?
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
I made it clear the scenario between Pope and McNeil would be different but it's all we have to go off, and in the eyes of many the Pope fee was too low. I hope McNeil stays but if he is sold we get at least £20m, but I think the club would sell for less at up to £15m.louieollie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:12 amI see what you are saying about the owner and Pope but wouldn't it be a different scenario with McNeil and his position/age maybe . I'd be hoping on at least £20m should McNeil be sold.
This user liked this post: louieollie
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
No.dandeclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:17 amHe went from £30m to free and went to a bigger progressive club. He wasn't linked with clubs in Europe, and ended up in a cut price deal going to a championship side..... see the difference?
I doubt Tarks would have gone to Everton 2 years ago.
Both were touted with high transfer fees when they had long contracts
Both decreased in value as their contracts got shorter, it's the reason why pope didn't go for 20m
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
O'hare, his stats for the past two season's are quite good, 5 goals and 8 assists in each, I could imagine Coventry wanting around 6 million
-
- Posts: 2625
- Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:55 am
- Been Liked: 509 times
- Has Liked: 886 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
There really is very little to get excited about. Really simple. Does he actively wish to leave? If not then we keep him.
Long contract, English, always fit and plenty of talent for the prem so he's only going to go up in value for the next few years. Look after him and help him develop.
Long contract, English, always fit and plenty of talent for the prem so he's only going to go up in value for the next few years. Look after him and help him develop.
-
- Posts: 67902
- Joined: Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:07 pm
- Been Liked: 32546 times
- Has Liked: 5279 times
- Location: Burnley
- Contact:
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
We did still have two years with Pope but I agree that values drop as the end of contract date moves closer. I’m still very surprised though how low the Pope deal was.
-
- Posts: 1435
- Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:52 pm
- Been Liked: 336 times
- Has Liked: 1516 times
- Location: Burnley
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
Nail on head. Who cares what West Spam value him at. He’s our player under contract so pay what we value him at.
I think we’ve let Pope go on the cheap to be honest.
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
I agree re Pope, the fee is a joke unless there are some serious add ons that we don't know about.
-
- Posts: 419
- Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:11 pm
- Been Liked: 118 times
- Has Liked: 307 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
Nonaynever -
"If Pace decides to sell McNeil for any fee I think that will demonstrate his lack of knowledge of football in general.
If he sells him for around the £10m mark I think that also demonstrates his lack of business acumen.
McNeil, whether you like him or not, is a genuine PL player.
If we have any aspirations of achieving promotion we will need a squad of players like him.
If Pace thinks appointing Kompany as manager and buying league 1 players will produce a PL squad within a season or two, then Pace is seriously deluded."
Who's running this tea machine? "Pace, Pace, Pace" - maybe the manager he's appointed at great cost will have some say as well. Pace openly admits his shortcomings in football knowledge. I don't know but I'd be surprised if the conversation went along the lines of, "sell who you want and I'll pick up the pieces, by the way here's a few cheap young un's to fill the gaps".
"If Pace decides to sell McNeil for any fee I think that will demonstrate his lack of knowledge of football in general.
If he sells him for around the £10m mark I think that also demonstrates his lack of business acumen.
McNeil, whether you like him or not, is a genuine PL player.
If we have any aspirations of achieving promotion we will need a squad of players like him.
If Pace thinks appointing Kompany as manager and buying league 1 players will produce a PL squad within a season or two, then Pace is seriously deluded."
Who's running this tea machine? "Pace, Pace, Pace" - maybe the manager he's appointed at great cost will have some say as well. Pace openly admits his shortcomings in football knowledge. I don't know but I'd be surprised if the conversation went along the lines of, "sell who you want and I'll pick up the pieces, by the way here's a few cheap young un's to fill the gaps".
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
Did we have 2yrs with pope, or was it in his favour? I've heard bothClaretTony wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:00 pmWe did still have two years with Pope but I agree that values drop as the end of contract date moves closer. I’m still very surprised though how low the Pope deal was.
-
- Posts: 7220
- Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:11 pm
- Been Liked: 2379 times
- Has Liked: 3807 times
- Location: Padiham
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
He is a victim (like several of our players) of being 'skinned' by the likes of Mo Salah, Riyad Mahrez, Hudson-Odoi etc and accused of not trying. There is a reason many Premier League players are Internationals and why we have to accept our limitations.
He has a skill set that will be better suited to us than others next season but should he go elsewhere a bit of a hard ball approach is required to get his market value.
He has a skill set that will be better suited to us than others next season but should he go elsewhere a bit of a hard ball approach is required to get his market value.
-
- Posts: 5125
- Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:50 am
- Been Liked: 1127 times
- Has Liked: 1238 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
We must hang onto to the likes of McNeil, Collins, Brownhill and Roberts if we want a quick premier League return.
We will struggle to build a promotion side with former League 1 and premium League academy players, we need experience at this and a higher level
We will struggle to build a promotion side with former League 1 and premium League academy players, we need experience at this and a higher level
These 2 users liked this post: tiger76 Quicknick
-
- Posts: 67902
- Joined: Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:07 pm
- Been Liked: 32546 times
- Has Liked: 5279 times
- Location: Burnley
- Contact:
-
- Posts: 691
- Joined: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:52 am
- Been Liked: 171 times
- Has Liked: 44 times
- Location: Todmorden
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
Mate is a Cov fan he rates O’Hare highly - says he’s their best player.
Most fouled player in the Championship last season as well.
Only criticism is that he doesn’t score enough goals.
Most fouled player in the Championship last season as well.
Only criticism is that he doesn’t score enough goals.
-
- Posts: 5378
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:00 pm
- Been Liked: 1655 times
- Has Liked: 404 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
I’m a bit uncomfortable reading these threads and seeing several abusive descriptions of the Chairman, often in hypothetical scenarios like if we sell McNeil for ‘x’ it means he is deluded.
We know so little of what goes on, what promises have been made. Online abuse is wrong even if we do know the facts, but frankly, we don’t. Let’s ease off the Pace bashing. He’s doing his best I’m guessing, and maximising shareholder value may be good for the fans too.
I’ll simply stick to hoping we don’t sell Dwight because his best years are ahead of him.
We know so little of what goes on, what promises have been made. Online abuse is wrong even if we do know the facts, but frankly, we don’t. Let’s ease off the Pace bashing. He’s doing his best I’m guessing, and maximising shareholder value may be good for the fans too.
I’ll simply stick to hoping we don’t sell Dwight because his best years are ahead of him.
This user liked this post: Winstonswhite
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
O'Neil probably isn't worth £10m right now.
-
- Posts: 4447
- Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:20 pm
- Been Liked: 1165 times
- Has Liked: 1303 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
I think our financial position after relegation, albeit now mitigated, if any substantial offers come in for our players then we will sell. This is what relegation looks like when you are also in dept. Hopefully the chairman has allowed the manager to plan for some replacements, but then it will be essential that these players are transferred sooner rather than the last few days.
-
- Posts: 3323
- Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:15 pm
- Been Liked: 702 times
- Has Liked: 174 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
I didn't say if he sells McNeil he is deluded. I said if he thinks he can produce a PL team from a squad of league 1 players then he is deluded. There's a huge difference.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:23 pmI’m a bit uncomfortable reading these threads and seeing several abusive descriptions of the Chairman, often in hypothetical scenarios like if we sell McNeil for ‘x’ it means he is deluded.
To have a PL team you need players of PL standard.
A good manager can make a good player better that doesn't mean he can turn the whole squad into PL players.
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
If he isn't as good as some say then why is there still interest in him from some PL clubs?
-
- Posts: 14571
- Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
- Been Liked: 3437 times
- Has Liked: 6339 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
Didn't Leeds get promoted to the PL with players that they'd mainly signed from league 1?Nonayforever wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:16 pmI didn't say if he sells McNeil he is deluded. I said if he thinks he can produce a PL team from a squad of league 1 players then he is deluded. There's a huge difference.
To have a PL team you need players of PL standard.
A good manager can make a good player better that doesn't mean he can turn the whole squad into PL players.
-
- Posts: 7466
- Joined: Sat May 06, 2017 7:39 pm
- Been Liked: 2258 times
- Has Liked: 2174 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
Callum O’Hare looks a real talent tbf - I don’t rate McNeil that highly but think with a new lease of life in the Championship would be an excellent player for us.
Maybe VK doesn’t think Dwight suits his system so much — who knows?
Maybe VK doesn’t think Dwight suits his system so much — who knows?
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
O'Hare looks like a budget Jack Grealish type of player. Would be a good addition but would certainly want to keep McNeil at all costs
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
I suppose like us the sum of their parts was far better than individual players.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:33 pmDidn't Leeds get promoted to the PL with players that they'd mainly signed from league 1?
-
- Posts: 666
- Joined: Tue May 16, 2017 2:05 am
- Been Liked: 227 times
- Has Liked: 208 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
Actually think the club need to reject any bids for McNeil regardless of amount.
Under SD it’s obvious his attacking movement was curtailed, asked to fit the framework and track back. Possibly now he can be released to look forward and better affect the final third, a good season in the championship with goals and assists would only increase his value and his skills should be much more used in this team than the team that went down, and could get us back up, which everyone knows is worth much more than 10m.
Under SD it’s obvious his attacking movement was curtailed, asked to fit the framework and track back. Possibly now he can be released to look forward and better affect the final third, a good season in the championship with goals and assists would only increase his value and his skills should be much more used in this team than the team that went down, and could get us back up, which everyone knows is worth much more than 10m.
-
- Posts: 1394
- Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:51 am
- Been Liked: 238 times
- Has Liked: 443 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
It just may be that kompany feels he wants a complete clear out of the dyche way of football, and he may feel that 10m constitutes good business, if this is the case, it may just prove a slice of undoing, just a thought and another slant on things.
-
- Posts: 10918
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:56 pm
- Been Liked: 5563 times
- Has Liked: 208 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
He's Fernando Guerrero level thenJambounchained wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:18 pmMate is a Cov fan he rates O’Hare highly - says he’s their best player.
Most fouled player in the Championship last season as well.
Only criticism is that he doesn’t score enough goals.
This user liked this post: Zlatan
-
- Posts: 10918
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:56 pm
- Been Liked: 5563 times
- Has Liked: 208 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
If Kompany wanted a clear out of the 'Dyche way of football' he'd have let Barnes go before McNeil.alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:13 pmIt just may be that kompany feels he wants a complete clear out of the dyche way of football, and he may feel that 10m constitutes good business, if this is the case, it may just prove a slice of undoing, just a thought and another slant on things.
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
Barnes extended his stay as was his right as it was in his contract. He should have been sacked for the drink driving if that was legally possible.TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:47 pmIf Kompany wanted a clear out of the 'Dyche way of football' he'd have let Barnes go before McNeil.
-
- Posts: 3323
- Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:15 pm
- Been Liked: 702 times
- Has Liked: 174 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
But if Kompany wants a "box" finisher then there won't be many better than Barnes in the Championship.TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:47 pmIf Kompany wanted a clear out of the 'Dyche way of football' he'd have let Barnes go before McNeil.
-
- Posts: 25697
- Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:43 pm
- Been Liked: 4644 times
- Has Liked: 9849 times
- Location: Glasgow
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
I'm sure there will be a complete clear out in time, but Kompany can't simply jettison the entire squad in a single window, as that would prove virtually impossible to achieve, so it needs to be done in stages.alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:13 pmIt just may be that kompany feels he wants a complete clear out of the dyche way of football, and he may feel that 10m constitutes good business, if this is the case, it may just prove a slice of undoing, just a thought and another slant on things.
-
- Posts: 14571
- Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
- Been Liked: 3437 times
- Has Liked: 6339 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
Is that based on something other than his scoring record?Nonayforever wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:56 pmBut if Kompany wants a "box" finisher then there won't be many better than Barnes in the Championship.
This user liked this post: Vino blanco
-
- Posts: 4649
- Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:41 am
- Been Liked: 1031 times
- Has Liked: 3192 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
We don't need to accept 10-15 million because that's all anyone is willing to offer. It's quite feasible that we keep him and tell anyone looking for a bargain to clear off
-
- Posts: 273
- Joined: Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:39 am
- Been Liked: 68 times
- Has Liked: 9 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
I watched a couple of Coventry games last season O'Hare looked really good, he was the stand out player. We should try and keep Mc Neil
-
- Posts: 818
- Joined: Tue May 24, 2016 9:30 pm
- Been Liked: 191 times
- Has Liked: 34 times
- Location: Norfolk
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
We would benefit from having both at the Turf. I'm sure McNeil will be a great asset for us in the Championship.
-
- Posts: 1394
- Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:51 am
- Been Liked: 238 times
- Has Liked: 443 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
I've a sneaky feeling he might just be doing he's best to clear them all out though
-
- Posts: 25697
- Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:43 pm
- Been Liked: 4644 times
- Has Liked: 9849 times
- Location: Glasgow
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
Well if that's his plan then fine, but he'll need to ensure the replacements are of an adequate standard to allow us to compete.alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:14 pmI've a sneaky feeling he might just be doing he's best to clear them all out though
-
- Posts: 8369
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:50 pm
- Been Liked: 2977 times
- Has Liked: 2075 times
- Location: Burnley
-
- Posts: 3630
- Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:03 pm
- Been Liked: 897 times
- Has Liked: 1104 times
- Location: Solihull Geriatric Centre
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
I'll give the club £13 to keep him thenIt Is What It Is wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:02 amIf McNeil was sold same time as Woods, there would be plenty of bidders at the £20-25m mark. He was an established Prem League player and in decent form.
Relegation, loss of a bit of form and 6 months later, £12 is about right.
-
- Posts: 1394
- Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:51 am
- Been Liked: 238 times
- Has Liked: 443 times
-
- Posts: 6696
- Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:13 pm
- Been Liked: 1705 times
- Has Liked: 791 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
I may be wrong but I suspect McNeil would prefer to stay in the north westt
-
- Posts: 5727
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:13 am
- Been Liked: 2833 times
- Has Liked: 141 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
Its been an observable trend that in recent years, doing quite well in the lower half of the Premier League over a couple of seasons has become seen as less valuable/driving of transfer value than having one or tops two stand out seasons in the Championship.
If McNeil goes for less than £20m, despite the stats he's recorded over the last 4 seasons in the Premier League (compare them to just about any 22 year old who has played 100 games in one of Europe's top leagues in that time), then it'll be further confirmation of that trend. It's easier to stand out and attract headlines as the brightest star in a dull constellation than it is as a star that burns bright enough but in a galaxy full of the biggest, brightest stars in the universe.
If McNeil stays with us, then hopefully that same logic will mean he's worth a good deal more next summer. The only unknown is his contract situation, which may not be as favourable as we hope and may itself drive discussions about a sale this summer. But in this world, he's worth way more than £10m.
If McNeil goes for less than £20m, despite the stats he's recorded over the last 4 seasons in the Premier League (compare them to just about any 22 year old who has played 100 games in one of Europe's top leagues in that time), then it'll be further confirmation of that trend. It's easier to stand out and attract headlines as the brightest star in a dull constellation than it is as a star that burns bright enough but in a galaxy full of the biggest, brightest stars in the universe.
If McNeil stays with us, then hopefully that same logic will mean he's worth a good deal more next summer. The only unknown is his contract situation, which may not be as favourable as we hope and may itself drive discussions about a sale this summer. But in this world, he's worth way more than £10m.
These 4 users liked this post: Conroysleftfoot boatshed bill RVclaret FeedTheArf
-
- Posts: 7410
- Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:19 am
- Been Liked: 2319 times
- Has Liked: 2174 times
-
- Posts: 1941
- Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:52 pm
- Been Liked: 745 times
- Has Liked: 463 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
Completely agree. He's had a rough 18-20 months but he is very clearly a quality player. I'm not convinced he can do the inverted winger role that effectively- yes he played it towards the end of the season just gone but despite looking more invigorated his output didn't much change- but what he can be is a very effective classical winger, and at Championship level a classical winger can still tear teams to shreds.And for his first 18 months Dwight tore teams to shreds in that role in the Premier League.
I'd like to keep him and Cornet, but if I could only keep one, I'd pick McNeil. I think as talented as Cornet is he's more mercurial, hard to fit into a system- McNeil has for me one role he can do very well, and a couple of roles he can clearly deputise in (I'd still like to see him as a De Bruyne style central/narrow creative playmaker). Whether other clubs value him the same or not is irrelevant- his value to Burnley is huge.
-
- Posts: 4546
- Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:03 am
- Been Liked: 2603 times
- Has Liked: 763 times
Re: McNeil & O’Hare
I'd rather keep our best players, of which McNeil is certainly one.