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by Steddyman » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:04 pm
DCWat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:52 pm
With the apparent external view of Burnley as having more than their share of racists, a question asked in this way is just a bizarre thing to put forward to the manager.
If we’re serious about our reputation as a club (going back to Pace’s ‘everyone’s favourite underdog comment) and attracting investment, questions such as this could actually hinder progress.
One harmless but ill thought out question could have damaged a really good opportunity to show Burnley in a very different, more positive light.
What exactly is bizarre or wrong about that question though? It did put me on the back foot too, but is asking that question being racist?
If he had asked what is it like to be Burnley's first Belgin Manager would that have been wrong? Not saying I agree here, just trying to understand what makes it wrong.
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by NRC » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:06 pm
AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:31 pm
I think we'll regret not going for him
we'll never know, but in a squad that is made up of strangers, to put it on a teenager's shoulders to be the main striking threat is perhaps not the wisest thing to do
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:07 pm
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:57 pm
What makes you think he would thrive at this level?
He’s one of the most highly rated young strikers in the country.
Only a few months ago he won the European championship with England u19s.
He’s going to be a top player, he will thrive at this level.
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by Woodleyclaret » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:09 pm
There are many players who looked the part only to fade away as they got older
Perhaps Delap will fall into this category
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by Nori1958 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:12 pm
AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:59 pm
What a stupid quote, you can say that about every single player we've brought in
No you wouldn't, because they've played at this level, higher or equivalent
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by Nori1958 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:13 pm
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:07 pm
He’s one of the most highly rated young strikers in the country.
Only a few months ago he won the European championship with England u19s.
He’s going to be a top player, he will thrive at this level.
Goals scored, at this level? I start the bidding at.... None
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by boatshed bill » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:14 pm
Steddyman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:04 pm
What exactly is bizarre or wrong about that question though? It did put me on the back foot too, but is asking that question being racist?
If he had asked what is it like to be Burnley's first Belgin Manager would that have been wrong? Not saying I agree here, just trying to understand what makes it wrong.
If you are looking for an answer, that particular question has no relevance in a pre-match press conference.
ridiculous, and apparently took VK by surprise.
It's little wonder it got wiped out.
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:17 pm
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:13 pm
Goals scored, at this level? I start the bidding at.... None
Haha the definition clueless was made for people like you.
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by AGENT_CLARET » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:19 pm
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:12 pm
No you wouldn't, because they've played at this level, higher or equivalent
Well I'll start off with one player Twine he hasn't do you want me to name all the others, do your research first before quoting at me
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by sanderson370 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:22 pm
i suspect after phil birds question i would expect he will be suspended now then a disciplinary to follow after investigations have been done into the media dept as to how was he instructed to ask such a ridiculous question.i would expect he would resign with immediate effect as it was totally inappropriate question
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by bobinho » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:28 pm
No doubt about it, it was a completely ridiculous question to ask.
Should he pay for that mistake with his job? Absolutely not. It was gittish and Ill thought out, nothing more. Phil Bird is a tremendous commentator. Be a poor do to lose him over this.
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by Nori1958 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:29 pm
AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:19 pm
Well I'll start off with one player Twine he hasn't do you want me to name all the others, do your research first before quoting at me
Hasn't played yet, but scored 20 goals at a level Delap has never played at
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by distortiondave » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:30 pm
I've no dog in this fight, but anyone describing Phil Bird as a 'tremendous commentator' is either wrong, lying, or Phil Bird himself.
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by Nori1958 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:31 pm
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:17 pm
Haha the definition clueless was made for people like you.
Just revert to personal abuse, or explain where you think I was wrong
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:31 pm
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:29 pm
Hasn't played yet, but scored 20 goals at a level Delap has never played at
I would argue he’s already played at a considerably higher level At PL2.
Plus Twine is 4 years older.
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by boatshed bill » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:32 pm
sanderson370 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:22 pm
i suspect after phil birds question i would expect he will be suspended now then a disciplinary to follow after investigations have been done into the media dept as to how was he instructed to ask such a ridiculous question.i would expect he would resign with immediate effect as it was totally inappropriate question
or if it was pre-scripted the person responsible should get a severe telling off at the very least
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by Nori1958 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:35 pm
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:31 pm
I would argue he’s already played at a considerably higher level At PL2.
Plus Twine is 4 years older.
What's PL2...?.. Under 21? How many goals?
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:38 pm
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:35 pm
What's PL2...?.. Under 21? How many goals?
Premier league 2 division 1.
He scored 32 goals in 32 games. 8 assists.
England U19 euros
3 games, 2 goals
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by MDWat » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:38 pm
What makes Liam Delap anymore likely to score goals at this level than, say, Rhian Brewster, who scored 20 in 23 for England under 17s and cost over £20m.
Delap might be great. He might be ****. It’s a risk hanging your hat on a 19 year old like that.
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by taio » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:39 pm
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:31 pm
I would argue he’s already played at a considerably higher level At PL2.
Plus Twine is 4 years older.
On what basis are you saying that PL2 is at a considerably higher level? That's complete nonsense.
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by boatshed bill » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:39 pm
Are we seriously arguing that Delap isn't a fine prospect?
But don't forget, his dad is a coach at Stoke and I would guess that Stoke was always going to be his destination.
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:41 pm
taio wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:39 pm
On what basis are you saying that PL2 is at a considerably higher level? That's complete nonsense.
Better quality, better players, Better managers, Better facilities.
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by Vegas Claret » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:43 pm
have we signed anyone ?
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by Nori1958 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:43 pm
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:39 pm
Are we seriously arguing that Delap isn't a fine prospect?
But don't forget, his dad is a coach at Stoke and I would guess that Stoke was always going to be his destination.
The relevant word is prospect... He might well be, but there is nothing in his CV to say he would be a major goalscorer at this level, how ever much other posters want to be abusive to argue that point
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by RVclaret » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:44 pm
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:41 pm
Better quality, better players, Better managers, Better facilities.
That’s why the likes of City loan their promising youngsters to league One then
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by Paul Waine » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:45 pm
Vincent Kompany has played top class football and collected multiple honours during his time as captain of Manchester City, the Premier League champions and Belgium, one of the top rated international sides. We all know Manchester City is a club that plays 30 miles or so away from Burnley. Vincent Kompany's wife is from the north west of England. He's in the early stages of his career as a manager - and doing very well. I don't think there are any questions that need to be asked.
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by distortiondave » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:48 pm
All the good, proper, potentially excellent strikers under 21 are playing for their good, proper, already excellent clubs. They aren't going on loan to Stoke or us.
I struggle getting excited about modern football, and I know there's only been 2 league games, but how many strikers 21 and under have played for a Premier League club this season? How many have scored? I don't know if Haaland is 21, but he certainly doesn't count. The only other I can think of is Martinelli at Arsenal but it's very much exception rather than rule
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by RVclaret » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:49 pm
Last season Bazanu starred for Portsmouth. They also loaned Ben Knight to Crewe. They are just two off the top of my head.
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by taio » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:49 pm
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:41 pm
Better quality, better players, Better managers, Better facilities.
Baseless - those teams would find it incredibly challenging against league one opposition.
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by Granny WeatherWax » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:52 pm
Pep doesn’t loan players out if he thinks they are gonna make it at city, and I include TBH in that.
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by Steddyman » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:52 pm
sanderson370 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:22 pm
i suspect after phil birds question i would expect he will be suspended now then a disciplinary to follow after investigations have been done into the media dept as to how was he instructed to ask such a ridiculous question.i would expect he would resign with immediate effect as it was totally inappropriate question
Massive overreaction. If I was in Africa and someone asked me how I felt about being the first white manager, I wouldn't be offended, I am white. I might be caught off-guard by the question as VK was but it isn't a racist question and doesn't deserve a sacking. I have had my kids tell me it is racist to call somebody black. It is not, it is descriptive.
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by Pearcey » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:55 pm
Just popped on to check if we were any closer to Churlinov. Wish I hadn’t bothered.
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by Elbarad » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:59 pm
NRC wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:04 pm
ok, thanks - just wanted to check, because I don't believe it's phrased that way. I would suggest African American has become de-facto IF you are not AA yourself
Not always for sure. Give you Black History Month as an example. In my opinion it's fairly interchangeable in this day and age, but you're right, a lot of times AA is used.
Besides, it would be strange to call VK African American since he's Belgian and doesn't live in America.
Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled programming.
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by groove » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:01 pm
I hope we sign our first Darko soon.
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by boatshed bill » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:01 pm
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:41 pm
Better quality, better players, Better managers, Better facilities.
So you've watched our PL2 games?
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by Boss Hogg » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:01 pm
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:43 pm
have we signed anyone ?
Wrong thread. This one’s for petty squabbles and for people that know more than Alan Pace.
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by boatshed bill » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:05 pm
groove wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:01 pm
I hope we sign our first Darko soon.
Almost done.
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by Boss Hogg » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:05 pm
Off topic a bit but Phil Bird should be sacked and so should the person who interviewed the players on the training camp ( he answers his own questions to the players).
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by Nori1958 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:10 pm
distortiondave wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:48 pm
All the good, proper, potentially excellent strikers under 21 are playing for their good, proper, already excellent clubs. They aren't going on loan to Stoke or us.
I struggle getting excited about modern football, and I know there's only been 2 league games, but how many strikers 21 and under have played for a Premier League club this season? How many have scored? I don't know if Haaland is 21, but he certainly doesn't count. The only other I can think of is Martinelli at Arsenal but it's very much exception rather than rule
I don't know, because I didn't watch but the guy at arsenal, who is the record holder for goals at under 21 level, has he played this season..
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by KlyBfc » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:12 pm
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:38 pm
Premier league 2 division 1.
He scored 32 goals in 32 games. 8 assists.
England U19 euros
3 games, 2 goals
Interesting though he wants first choice for England u19s though. The young Spurs striker (forgotten his name) was the main man. Whilst I know that doesn’t reflect how well he will do (neither does his u23 scoring record) it’s just worth pointing out.
I genuinely don’t know the answer to this, but how have did he and City do in the Johnston Paint thing (if that’s what it’s called) against lg 1 and 2 teams.
If Jay or Twine are going to be the main man I’m more inclined for us to go for a big Ariel threat as back up so we can put crosses in (Vokes mould) when teams sit so deep. Felt that was lacking last 10 when we brought Barnes on
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:12 pm
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:01 pm
So you've watched our PL2 games?
Yes I have. But for the record we were div 2. City play in div 1.
They also play in the u23 European competitions
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by RVclaret » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:16 pm
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:10 pm
I don't know, because I didn't watch but the guy at arsenal, who is the record holder for goals at under 21 level, has he played this season..
Balogun? Had a below average spell at Boro last season. Now on loan at Reims.
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by Nori1958 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:19 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:16 pm
Balogun? Had a below average spell at Boro last season. Now on loan at Reims.
No, nkeite.... Sorry if spelling is wrong
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by boatshed bill » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:20 pm
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:12 pm
Yes I have. But for the record we were div 2. City play in div 1.
They also play in the u23 European competitions
It's just that you seem to know a lot about the facilities.
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by bpgburn » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:21 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:25 am
Churlinov medical today so I guess could be announced later on tonight.
Has he had his medical then or don't you know?
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by RVclaret » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:21 pm
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:19 pm
No, nkeite.... Sorry if spelling is wrong
Ah just signed a new deal at Arsenal after bursting onto the scene late last season. Not scored yet this.
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by Milltown1882 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:24 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:21 pm
Ah just signed a new deal at Arsenal after bursting onto the scene late last season. Not scored yet this.
Was out of contract at the end of last season so they had to tie him down. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him out on loan this season, probably to a PL club though.
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by agreenwood » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:24 pm
I’d imagine a high % of PL2 players end up at League 1 level or below. At best only 2-3 players from any given PL2 squad is going to forge a career in the top two tiers of English football. There’ll be a few exceptions to this such as City & Chelsea, but most of the opposition Delap has faced in PL2 won’t be destined for successful careers amongst the upper echelons of the professional game.
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by Milltown1882 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:26 pm
agreenwood wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:24 pm
I’d imagine a high % of PL2 players end up at League 1 level or below. At best only 2-3 players from any given PL2 squad is going to forge a career in the top two tiers of English football. There’ll be a few exceptions to this such as City & Chelsea, but most of the opposition Delap has faced in PL2 won’t be destined for successful careers amongst the upper echelons of the professional game.
Have you watched One Shot on Sky that came out recently? Follows the journey of a number of academy/youth players last season through to contract decisions etc. The % of players that actually make it is starting.