Do England take the risk and push forward against him?ElectroClaret wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:37 pmNo one in the world wll "nullify " Mbappe on his current form. He looks unstoppable.
Hope im wrong, like.
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Needs a lttle help with the quote function while you're at it KRBFC.
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Well maybe not but they aren't good are they. Not to tske anything away from England tonight. They did what they had to do and did it well. I am not one like some who don't want England to do well. I hope we win it and I am looking forward to playing Championship level teams in the next encounters!!!
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Won our group.
Unbeaten.
Scored 9.
2 clean sheets.
Through to the knockout stages.
Happy with that.
Unbeaten.
Scored 9.
2 clean sheets.
Through to the knockout stages.
Happy with that.
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Certainly very talented but probably a level below Mbappe.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:39 pmSome of our young talent are really up there as best in the world.
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Biggest disappointment/annoyance with the Taffs was with the number of sly and unnecessary fouls they committed during the last ten or fifteen minutes. Earlier on was fair enough, but by then the game was lost/over so why risk potentially injuring one of the England players?
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I see a bit of twitchiness about someone saying Wales were L1 standard, obviously not but I’d fancy the Clarets to beat them so Champ standard for me as we said the other day. Only Davies would get in our side at the Turf. They don’t have game changers, nobody to hurt England, and the keeper was woeful, gifted us goals 1 and 3 (did a few hops to his right for the 1st, Shearer spotted it). I don’t rate James, never have, a poor man’s Benson for me, and Wilson / Johnson also lacks a finished product.
For Wales, getting here was the big achievement.
Senegal are better but middling, so I expect England to beat them, but SafeGate will park the bus against France with this side but with two of Saka, Mount or Sterling replacing Foden and Rashford (who are both superior). Two full backs sitting back, and two holding midfielders with Bellingham just ahead. That is what I expect, and I think it will lead to an exit.
(the reason I despair at him, easy opposition tonight, but I mean generally, is partly his first XI but also his late substitutes and unwillingness to change tack. I doubt he will have evolved in this regard, but we will see - I see Shearer and others have been writing similar in articles)
For Wales, getting here was the big achievement.
Senegal are better but middling, so I expect England to beat them, but SafeGate will park the bus against France with this side but with two of Saka, Mount or Sterling replacing Foden and Rashford (who are both superior). Two full backs sitting back, and two holding midfielders with Bellingham just ahead. That is what I expect, and I think it will lead to an exit.
(the reason I despair at him, easy opposition tonight, but I mean generally, is partly his first XI but also his late substitutes and unwillingness to change tack. I doubt he will have evolved in this regard, but we will see - I see Shearer and others have been writing similar in articles)
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That’s a bit harsh on that welsh team. Plenty of good players, many of whom are playing at a higher level than Burnley already.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:53 pmI see a bit of twitchiness about someone saying Wales were L1 standard, obviously not but I’d fancy the Clarets to beat them so Champ standard for me as we said the other day. Only Davies would get in our side at the Turf. They don’t have game changers, nobody to hurt England, and the keeper was woeful, gifted us goals 1 and 3 (did a few hops to his right for the 1st, Shearer spotted it). I don’t rate James, never have, a poor man’s Benson for me, and Wilson / Johnson also lacks a finished product.
For Wales, getting here was the big achievement.
Senegal are better but middling, so I expect England to beat them, but SafeGate will park the bus against France with this side but with two of Saka, Mount or Sterling replacing Foden and Rashford (who are both superior). Two full backs sitting back, and two holding midfielders with Bellingham just ahead. That is what I expect, and I think it will lead to an exit.
(the reason I despair at him, easy opposition tonight, but I mean generally, is partly his first XI but also his late substitutes and unwillingness to change tack. I doubt he will have evolved in this regard, but we will see - I see Shearer and others have been writing similar in articles)
England were just ten times better with a team littered with elite players.
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Are we all assuming France have already won there last 16 match
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There's 'twitchiness' because six of their starting line up play in the PL, two in Ligue 1 in France and one in Serie A. Mepham would be getting in our team as would the GK despite his poor performance - he's Leicester's number one. You could make reasonable arguments for Rodon, Williams, and James too. I expected a more competitive game and it isn't England's issue that they didn't provide that. 'Safegate' seems an odd name for the manager of the current World Cup top scorers.
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I do think England do better against the bigger sides. Wales were poor tonight. I suspect Senegal will be harder to beat but we should do it. Then the tournament really starts !
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Though I don't rate Hennessey as any more than average PL level I have to say that his error, and sending off, had a fair bit to do with the final outcome for Wales.
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I do fancy us against Senegal - they seem to play at more of a faster tempo which I think will be to our benefit. We've just had to face three pretty conservative, 'keep it solid' opponents and had to be patient in the main.
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Yet we lacking something that I can't (can really) put my finger on.No Ney Never wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:20 pmWon our group.
Unbeaten.
Scored 9.
2 clean sheets.
Through to the knockout stages.
Happy with that.
Which will become all too apparent in the next week or two.
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WC over for our Connor, now lets hope he gets his head down and fully commits himself to getting Burnley promoted
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What do you think we are lacking?Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:40 pmYet we lacking something that I can't (can really) put my finger on.
Which will become all too apparent in the next week or two.
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The only thing England's manager is missing to date, is the courage to play on the front foot against the big teams
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I think we've been very good in two games, and struggled in one
Its possible that Southgate may well have hit on his best eleven last night, and you can certainly argue that on form Saka, Rashford and Foden all have to play
I just don't see Sterling as a starter ahead of any of them
Henderson looks key as well
Its possible that Southgate may well have hit on his best eleven last night, and you can certainly argue that on form Saka, Rashford and Foden all have to play
I just don't see Sterling as a starter ahead of any of them
Henderson looks key as well
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Fortune favours the bold they say, so from England's POV I sincerely hope he his the courage to back his squad against the better nations.Belgianclaret wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:03 amThe only thing England's manager is missing to date, is the courage to play on the front foot against the big teams
England have an abundance of attacking options so let them play with freedom and see what happens.
England look far more effective when playing at tempo with a high press, yes it carries an element of risk but the rewards could be great if they can pull it off.
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Did we not play on the front foot against the Germans at the Euro's and Im pretty sure we started on the front foot against Italy in the final?Belgianclaret wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:03 amThe only thing England's manager is missing to date, is the courage to play on the front foot against the big teams
Once you get to the latter stages against the top 5 or 6 teams you dont just decided to go on the front foot but its who wins the battles on the pitch to get control of the game and again against the other top teams thats not something we should expect to be able to just do but something we need to compete at and try to edge over the course of 90 / 120 mins
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To defend Ward, he made a top save against Rashford in the first half and looked pretty solid. Yes he did make the wrong move for Rashford's free kick but he also had a late view of it I think, and for Rasford's second, these are difficult for goalkeepers.
For the second he anticipated an attack so moved into space leaving Foden unmarked. It was a risk and because Wales (Ben Davies) messed up under pressure, Roberts was caught out. For Rashford's second he went forward in anticipation of a ball to Henderson but instead it was lobbed forward to Rashford. He did get back well to challenge but couldn't quite prevent the goal. I would put both down to a determination to get Wales forward. Perhaps they were his instructions.
I only really saw him last night. I thought overall he was good - good interceptions, passing, movement etc.. It's the second and third goals where there are questions.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:53 pmGot to say Roberts has had a really poor tournament for Wales.
For the second he anticipated an attack so moved into space leaving Foden unmarked. It was a risk and because Wales (Ben Davies) messed up under pressure, Roberts was caught out. For Rashford's second he went forward in anticipation of a ball to Henderson but instead it was lobbed forward to Rashford. He did get back well to challenge but couldn't quite prevent the goal. I would put both down to a determination to get Wales forward. Perhaps they were his instructions.
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Agree with this, and this is why I don't see the introduction of Henderson, or Phillips as the 'double pivot' as defensive - I think people totally misunderstand the greater role which the holding midfielders play. We saw against the USA that when you lose the midfield battle the attacking players are totally isolated and out of the game.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:48 amDid we not play on the front foot against the Germans at the Euro's and Im pretty sure we started on the front foot against Italy in the final?
Once you get to the latter stages against the top 5 or 6 teams you dont just decided to go on the front foot but its who wins the battles on the pitch to get control of the game and again against the other top teams thats not something we should expect to be able to just do but something we need to compete at and try to edge over the course of 90 / 120 mins
I generally think that we need pace either side of Kane to run in behind him, but when the opposition are sitting so deep, as most sides will do, there isn't space to run in behind. In these instances it's probably more useful to have technical players who can run with the ball such as Foden and Rashford, as proven last night. Great to have such a mixture of forward options, and less reliance on Kane to score the goals.
Another positive is the return of Kyle Walker whose pace and ability to recover allows us to defend with a higher line.
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Roberts must have been the only player to receive those instructions because the rest of them didn't look too interested in going forward.Hipper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:54 amTo defend Ward, he made a top save against Rashford in the first half and looked pretty solid. Yes he did make the wrong move for Rashford's free kick but he also had a late view of it I think, and for Rasford's second, these are difficult for goalkeepers.
I only really saw him last night. I thought overall he was good - good interceptions, passing, movement etc.. It's the second and third goals where there are questions.
For the second he anticipated an attack so moved into space leaving Foden unmarked. It was a risk and because Wales (Ben Davies) messed up under pressure, Roberts was caught out. For Rashford's second he went forward in anticipation of a ball to Henderson but instead it was lobbed forward to Rashford. He did get back well to challenge but couldn't quite prevent the goal. I would put both down to a determination to get Wales forward. Perhaps they were his instructions.
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Entirely off-topic, but did you know that the surname of the referee of the first ever England v Wales international was "Bast*rd"?
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First name Cheating? Or his brother, Blind?lakedistrictclaret wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:10 pmEntirely off-topic, but did you know that the surname of the referee of the first ever England v Wales international was "Bast*rd"?
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Couldn't disagree more, Wales were far too nice all game. Granted a couple of mistimed fouls that could have injured people late on but they needed to be nasty and in our face all night. Because they weren't, it was a stroll in the park and actually quite boring, despite the absolute England dominance.AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:46 pmBiggest disappointment/annoyance with the Taffs was with the number of sly and unnecessary fouls they committed during the last ten or fifteen minutes. Earlier on was fair enough, but by then the game was lost/over so why risk potentially injuring one of the England players?
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Roberts was involved with all three of our goals.Hipper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:54 amTo defend Ward, he made a top save against Rashford in the first half and looked pretty solid. Yes he did make the wrong move for Rashford's free kick but he also had a late view of it I think, and for Rasford's second, these are difficult for goalkeepers.
I only really saw him last night. I thought overall he was good - good interceptions, passing, movement etc.. It's the second and third goals where there are questions.
For the second he anticipated an attack so moved into space leaving Foden unmarked. It was a risk and because Wales (Ben Davies) messed up under pressure, Roberts was caught out. For Rashford's second he went forward in anticipation of a ball to Henderson but instead it was lobbed forward to Rashford. He did get back well to challenge but couldn't quite prevent the goal. I would put both down to a determination to get Wales forward. Perhaps they were his instructions.
First one gave away the free kick.
Second one he was almost 50ms out of position.
Third one he should have showed Rashford down the outside. Allowed him to cut in and shoot.
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Thought Roberts had a good tournament compared to some of his colleagues.
Hopefully we can get him back fully focused on promotion now.
Hopefully we can get him back fully focused on promotion now.
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Thought he’s been pretty poor tbh. But as others have said I think the whole wales team were poor.
In particular Bale, he had a shocker of a tournament
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Did you watch them against USA? He was excellent in the second half. Yes Bale was awful as was Ramsey.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:42 pmThought he’s been pretty poor tbh. But as others have said I think the whole wales team were poor.
In particular Bale, he had a shocker of a tournament
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Roberts played v well against USA but had a bit of a shocker against Iran and us, though he's hardly alone on that front in Welsh red. I'd be pointing the finger more at the senior pros like Bale and, in particular, Ramsey, who were atrocious.
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What’s happened to Ramsey? He’s only 31 so should be at his peak. He’s been dreadful for at least 18 months.
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Injuriesclaret2018 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:00 pmWhat’s happened to Ramsey? He’s only 31 so should be at his peak. He’s been dreadful for at least 18 months.
See also Eden Hazard
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He has a double chin. He needs to be fully fit to be effective - looks miles off that. Looked like a shadow of man and ready for retirement to me, but it might be fixable if he can get fit again. 31 is certainly young enough.claret2018 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:00 pmWhat’s happened to Ramsey? He’s only 31 so should be at his peak. He’s been dreadful for at least 18 months.
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These types of mistakes are reasons why I would much rather have Lowton playing for us.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:38 pmRoberts was involved with all three of our goals.
First one gave away the free kick.
Second one he was almost 50ms out of position.
Third one he should have showed Rashford down the outside. Allowed him to cut in and shoot.
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Because Lowton never makes mistakes, never gets caught out of position and always gets back into his defensive position very quickly? OK.
What I didn't understand was Page playing Roberts at left-back.
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You're talking out of your absolute backside saying only Davies would get in our side.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:53 pmI see a bit of twitchiness about someone saying Wales were L1 standard, obviously not but I’d fancy the Clarets to beat them so Champ standard for me as we said the other day. Only Davies would get in our side at the Turf. They don’t have game changers, nobody to hurt England, and the keeper was woeful, gifted us goals 1 and 3 (did a few hops to his right for the 1st, Shearer spotted it). I don’t rate James, never have, a poor man’s Benson for me, and Wilson / Johnson also lacks a finished product.
Harry Wilson lacks end product? He had 10 goals and 19 assists last season in the Championship. Brennan Johnson 18 goals 10 assists last season.
Like what are we talking about? Just any old bullshit to discredit England? go support Scotland then if you're so anti English
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UP THE FKIN ENGLANDNo Ney Never wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:20 pmWon our group.
Unbeaten.
Scored 9.
2 clean sheets.
Through to the knockout stages.
Happy with that.
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Didn’t they have to put a midfielder into defence (right back) forcing CR to the left?boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:49 pmWhat I didn't understand was Page playing Roberts at left-back.
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I suspect Crosspool meant Wilson lacks end product at international level. But I suspect you knew that.KRBFC wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:58 pmYou're talking out of your absolute backside saying only Davies would get in our side.
Harry Wilson lacks end product? He had 10 goals and 19 assists last season in the Championship. Brennan Johnson 18 goals 10 assists last season.
Like what are we talking about? Just any old bullshit to discredit England? go support Scotland then if you're so anti English
Using Championship stats to argue players are good at international level is pretty weak for an "expert" like you.
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TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:55 pm
Using Championship stats to argue players are good at international level is pretty weak for an "expert" like you.
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Yeah, the pass he should have been on the end of instead of playing.box_of_frogs wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:06 pmLike when he dropped deeper and fed Rashford for our best chance of the match?
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Sorry but this is an awful opinion. He gets a very good assist to a far post runner and that’s where he should be? What?gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:11 pmYeah, the pass he should have been on the end of instead of playing.
Currently the highest assister at the World Cup and the joint highest for England ever at a World Cup.
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I’m not talking about the one in the second half. My opinion was stated at half time. It was about the rashford chance in the first half. He is our striker. We have players to thread the passes through we would be far better served if he stayed higher up the pitch.