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Gary Lineker
Good news for Gary today - he has won a case that HMRC brought against him. They had claimed he had evaded paying taxes worth a cool £4.9 million.
Gary now gets to keep the cash to spend on whatever he likes. Congratulations to Gary on securing a victory for conservative values and low taxation - hurrah!
I'll be raising a glass to Lineker's healthy bank balance tonight and hoping I can join him in, erm, "minimizing my tax obligations" in the future with Lineker-esque feints, turns, jinks and other measures to avoid the taxman.
Gary now gets to keep the cash to spend on whatever he likes. Congratulations to Gary on securing a victory for conservative values and low taxation - hurrah!
I'll be raising a glass to Lineker's healthy bank balance tonight and hoping I can join him in, erm, "minimizing my tax obligations" in the future with Lineker-esque feints, turns, jinks and other measures to avoid the taxman.
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Re: Gary Lineker
You’d have to be daft not to do everything in your power to pay the least amount of tax that you had to. It’s your money
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Re: Gary Lineker
So he's not guilty i.e. been proved to have done nothing wrong but guilty anyway? That's how I read the OP. I'm happy to let the court decide after all, they have heard all the evidence.
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Re: Gary Lineker
He’s really got you lot in a chokehold, hasn’t he?
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Re: Gary Lineker
Its essentially the gig economyRowls wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:21 pmGood news for Gary today - he has won a case that HMRC brought against him. They had claimed he had evaded paying taxes worth a cool £4.9 million.
Gary now gets to keep the cash to spend on whatever he likes. Congratulations to Gary on securing a victory for conservative values and low taxation - hurrah!
I'll be raising a glass to Lineker's healthy bank balance tonight and hoping I can join him in, erm, "minimizing my tax obligations" in the future with Lineker-esque feints, turns, jinks and other measures to avoid the taxman.
Great if you are well off, not so great if you are not
A metaphor for the country really
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I love getting my news on here, it saves me having to scroll all the way to the bottom of the BBC website to read the utter crap no one cares about.
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I'd be more annoyed at HMRC blowing a shedload of our tax on a case they were never going to win. And his company - Gary Linekar Media - will still pay all the required tax it's obliged to, exactly how it should work.
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I finally completed my tax returns for here in the US yesterday, was expecting to have to pay quite a bit extra as my taxes are a little complicated, especially with the crypto included. Been stressing about this for a while now and procrastinating about completing the returns, went through it all with the accountant yesterday and at the end was very surprised to see I'm getting a nice rebate, happy days indeed Now it's not quite as much as Gary is getting but everything helps!
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The vast majority of journalists, TV presenters etc set themselves up as consultants and then pay their tax as companies and personal tax for taking money out for themselves via a combination of dividend and salary. The benefits of doing this are nowhere near as big as many people think they are.Rowls wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:21 pmGood news for Gary today - he has won a case that HMRC brought against him. They had claimed he had evaded paying taxes worth a cool £4.9 million.
Gary now gets to keep the cash to spend on whatever he likes. Congratulations to Gary on securing a victory for conservative values and low taxation - hurrah!
I'll be raising a glass to Lineker's healthy bank balance tonight and hoping I can join him in, erm, "minimizing my tax obligations" in the future with Lineker-esque feints, turns, jinks and other measures to avoid the taxman.
Where HMRC have started tying themselves in knots are rules around IR35 and contractors working for the same company for years.
As far as I am aware Lineker has not done anything different to the hundreds of thousands of individuals who set themselves up as consultancy businesses. It’s what every accountant in the country would recommend they would should do.
But you probably knew that anyway when starting another of your wind up threads
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So Rowls, who plays with the biggest possible 7 on his back is upset because Gary is doing what all 7s do and looking after number 1.
I’m not having it, he’s on the wind up.
I’m not having it, he’s on the wind up.
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Never expected that. Saint Gary gets to keep all the licence payers' cash. Just think of all the good he can do with the money.
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Re: Gary Lineker
All the licence payers' cash?
Wow, he earns more than I thought.
Still worth it, though, for ******* off the OP and his buddies.
Wow, he earns more than I thought.
Still worth it, though, for ******* off the OP and his buddies.
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Aye let’s forget he also works for Spanish TV, BT, massive sponsorship deal with Walkers etc
And he still earns less than a lot of footballers, golfers, musicians, etc - who will also be getting advice on how to pay as less tax as possible within the taxation laws.
And he still earns less than a lot of footballers, golfers, musicians, etc - who will also be getting advice on how to pay as less tax as possible within the taxation laws.
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Just think Sunak and his wife were largely, and probably rightly, criticised for using legal means to reduce their tax bills. Seems the same criticism is not allowed when directed at Saint Gary
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Re: Gary Lineker
And you reckon Lineker's NOT been criticised, Bopper?
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Absolutely fascinated to learn Lineker isn’t criticised. GB News seemingly dedicate whole evenings to him.
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Never knew that Gary was a Non-Dom, or that he had a company office in Moscow
Its amazing what you can learn by watching someone dig a very large hole online
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Nice one Gary keep up the good work.
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Did not realise Non Dom was illegal.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:31 pmNever knew that Gary was a Non-Dom, or that he had a company office in Moscow
Its amazing what you can learn by watching someone dig a very large hole online
Remember the Paradise Papers when Saint Gary was involved in a tax avoidance allegation regarding a company set up in The British Virgin Islands amongst other things.
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Careful with the "you lot", it can lead to all sorts of problems.
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Yeah, but remember the lies Johnson told Parliament.
Remember the tax dodging of Sunaks wife.
Zahawi was the Chancellor and tried to dodge payments.
Graham Edwards brought in by Sunak to sort the Tory party finances used a tax avoidance scheme.
Top and bottom of it all if you have money and a bit of nous you can avoid paying tax. Same as if you don’t have money you can do cash in hand work.
Doesn’t matter what political leanings you have, there are lot of people doing it. Keep picking on the football presenter though, I am sure you’ll get what you want in the end.
Remember the tax dodging of Sunaks wife.
Zahawi was the Chancellor and tried to dodge payments.
Graham Edwards brought in by Sunak to sort the Tory party finances used a tax avoidance scheme.
Top and bottom of it all if you have money and a bit of nous you can avoid paying tax. Same as if you don’t have money you can do cash in hand work.
Doesn’t matter what political leanings you have, there are lot of people doing it. Keep picking on the football presenter though, I am sure you’ll get what you want in the end.
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Lol.
I don't particularly like the guy's politics, and I haven't watched MotD punditry for about a decade because I've grown tired of the tired "banter" and predictable punditry.
I've nothing against him. I'm genuinely happy somebody out there has won a case against HMRC.
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I really don't understand the number 7 reference but, like Gary Lineker, I'm all in favour of low tax economies. You really ought to have been able to take my comments on face value.Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:56 pmSo Rowls, who plays with the biggest possible 7 on his back is upset because Gary is doing what all 7s do and looking after number 1.
I’m not having it, he’s on the wind up.
Gary's entitled to be self employed and to pay tax as such. Low tax economies outperform high tax economies and they end up with increased revenues because they encourage growth and end up with larger "pies", as it were, to pay for things like health, education, defence etc.
We don't know Gary's precise opinions on taxation because he doesn't opine them (and might now be restricted from doing) but it's clear from this case that he's very much in favour of individuals paying the lowest possible rates of taxation. Maybe he's even in favour of further cuts in tax and tax cuts to the less well off who pay much higher rates of tax as employees than he does as somebody who is self employed? Who knows, he?
Just because I happen to disagree with his views on the government's new policy on illegal immigration doesn't mean we can't agree on taxation. When it comes to taxation, I agree with Gary - there is no moral compunction to pay a penny more in tax than the lowest amount that is legally due.
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There's no wind up here, I'm genuinely happy for Gary.Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:47 pmThe vast majority of journalists, TV presenters etc set themselves up as consultants and then pay their tax as companies and personal tax for taking money out for themselves via a combination of dividend and salary. The benefits of doing this are nowhere near as big as many people think they are.
Where HMRC have started tying themselves in knots are rules around IR35 and contractors working for the same company for years.
As far as I am aware Lineker has not done anything different to the hundreds of thousands of individuals who set themselves up as consultancy businesses. It’s what every accountant in the country would recommend they would should do.
But you probably knew that anyway when starting another of your wind up threads
It also shows that, as an advocate of low taxation, he's not some kind of "Labour stooge", even if he is best-pally with Alistair Campbell et al. It would be interesting to know how much tax he thinks others should pay but we're not likely to hear much on that front from him since he was curtailed from making overt party political statements.
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You might find it hilarious but keep in mind the possibility that I'm happy for people to be able to reduce their tax bills because that's what I believe in.
If I made the rules, the first thing I'd do would be to prepare for a swingeing rise in the rate when income tax kicks in. I'd like to see it raised in line with the minimum wage, based on a 40 hour week. That would mean that nobody who earned minimum wage working a 40 hour week would pay any income tax. None whatsoever.
Now that's what I'd call fair and progressive.
You can call it "hilarious" but i call it my prinicples. I'd like to see more and more of lower paid workers lifted out of the burden of paying tax and I'd like to see the British economy reorientated to one of low taxation and high productivity. For the past 20+ years it's been the opposite.
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HMRC tried that same action against Lorraine Kelly a few years ago and lost.
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It's their job, I suppose to keep trying these precedential cases but all the best to the likes of Lineker, Adrian Chiles, Jimmy Carr and Piers Morgan in evading the tax man.
Or avoiding him.
Whichever is the legal one.
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Ah, the Singapore on the channel dream*
*course, most businesses in Singapore are state owned
*course, most businesses in Singapore are state owned
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Why do you think he’s paid a low amount of taxation though ?Rowls wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:16 pmThere's no wind up here, I'm genuinely happy for Gary.
It also shows that, as an advocate of low taxation, he's not some kind of "Labour stooge", even if he is best-pally with Alistair Campbell et al. It would be interesting to know how much tax he thinks others should pay but we're not likely to hear much on that front from him since he was curtailed from making overt party political statements.
Do you even understand the rules around how much Lineker has to pay ?
I suspect you don’t.
There’s only one reason why you started this thread. It was to have a go at Lineker for in your view being a hypocrite because for some reason a supporter of Labour is not allowed to earn decent money unless he pays more tax than he’s actually supposed to under the current taxation laws.
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Because low taxation leads to a filtering down of wealth? Tories have been saying that since the late eighteenth century… exactly when does this levelling up happen?Rowls wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:13 pmI really don't understand the number 7 reference but, like Gary Lineker, I'm all in favour of low tax economies. You really ought to have been able to take my comments on face value.
Gary's entitled to be self employed and to pay tax as such. Low tax economies outperform high tax economies and they end up with increased revenues because they encourage growth and end up with larger "pies", as it were, to pay for things like health, education, defence etc.
We don't know Gary's precise opinions on taxation because he doesn't opine them (and might now be restricted from doing) but it's clear from this case that he's very much in favour of individuals paying the lowest possible rates of taxation. Maybe he's even in favour of further cuts in tax and tax cuts to the less well off who pay much higher rates of tax as employees than he does as somebody who is self employed? Who knows, he?
Just because I happen to disagree with his views on the government's new policy on illegal immigration doesn't mean we can't agree on taxation. When it comes to taxation, I agree with Gary - there is no moral compunction to pay a penny more in tax than the lowest amount that is legally due.
Alternatively it’s the same guff that led the exploitation of the northern working man throughout the industrial age.
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Why do I think he's paid a low amount of taxation? The answer's pretty obvious - because HMRC tried to asked for an additional £4.9 million pounds.Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:27 pmWhy do you think he’s paid a low amount of taxation though ?
Do you even understand the rules around how much Lineker has to pay ?
I suspect you don’t.
There’s only one reason why you started this thread. It was to have a go at Lineker for in your view being a hypocrite because for some reason a supporter of Labour is not allowed to earn decent money unless he pays more tax than he’s actually supposed to under the current taxation laws.
I'm therefore "estimating", if you will, that be working as self employed rather than "employed" that he has -legally- avoided paying ... ohhhhhh .... in the region of £4.9 million pounds in tax.
If he's self employed I think (but I'm not an expert) that he can "pay" himself dividends paid via his company and he'll only have to pay 19% corporation tax on that. Back of the net, eh?
I don't know why you think it is "hypocritical" to be in favour of low taxation? I think it's very sensible. It makes for strong economies with high growth and bigger tax revenues.
Lineker's views on illegal immigration aren't really anything to do with this. Lineker opposes the governments proposals to stop illegal immigration and is (we may discern) in favour of paying low rates of personal tax by working as self employed rather than working as an employee. What is hypocritical about that?
The reason I started this thread was to cheer on Gary Lineker to celebrate his big tax win against HMRC and show my support for low taxation on the whole.
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No, actually. The only people I know who believe in "trickle down economics" are Labour or Lib Dem supporters who mistakenly think "it's what Tories believe".elwaclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:32 pmBecause low taxation leads to a filtering down of wealth? Tories have been saying that since the late eighteenth century… exactly when does this levelling up happen?
Alternatively it’s the same guff that led the exploitation of the northern working man throughout the industrial age.
Low taxation works for economies for a variety of reasons. You need a fair few other factors in place too - rule of law, independent judiciary, minimal or no tariff borders etc.. It's not an easy recipe but when a country gets it right, they become very prosperous. When they don't, they either stagnate or go backwards.
The whys and wherefores aren't really that important at the end of the day. The most important thing is that low taxation really DOES work - it makes us all more prosperous. That's something that would help the lowest paid right now as we're struggling with the effects of the lockdown policies and high government spending crashing the world economy.
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You are 100% correct Rowls - you are no expert. Infact you are a million miles away from being an expert.Rowls wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:35 pmWhy do I think he's paid a low amount of taxation? The answer's pretty obvious - because HMRC tried to asked for an additional £4.9 million pounds.
I'm therefore "estimating", if you will, that be working as self employed rather than "employed" that he has -legally- avoided paying ... ohhhhhh .... in the region of £4.9 million pounds in tax.
If he's self employed I think (but I'm not an expert) that he can "pay" himself dividends paid via his company and he'll only have to pay 19% corporation tax on that. Back of the net, eh?
Corporation tax and the tax you pay on dividends are 2 completely different things when it comes to paying tax.
Just do a very basic bit of research before you start a thread - back of the net eh ? You aren’t even on the pitch
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Seems I got the figures right though, didn't I?Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:42 pmYou are 100% correct Rowls - you are no expert. Infact you are a million miles away from being an expert.
Corporation tax and the tax you pay on dividends are 2 completely different things when it comes to paying tax.
Just do a very basic bit of research before you start a thread - back of the net eh ? You aren’t even on the pitch
He's paying 19% instead of 45%
Nice one, Gary!
BACK ON THE NET.
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Just done a bit of maths on what would happen if the national minimum wage and the starting point of income tax were aligned.
It would save somebody working full time on minimum wage £1437.80 per year.
Do you know somebody working for minimum wage, or on a low wage? Would they like to be £1437.80 per year better off?
That is why low taxation grows economies.
It would save somebody working full time on minimum wage £1437.80 per year.
Do you know somebody working for minimum wage, or on a low wage? Would they like to be £1437.80 per year better off?
That is why low taxation grows economies.
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All companies pay 19% corporation tax.
Gary Lineker is not a company.
He’s a person.
Gary Lineker just like every individual in the country is not paying 19% on any money he withdraws from his company as a dividend.
Are you being deliberately ignorant ?
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Yeah but if he owns the company he'll be paying that rate through the company. To the tune of £4.9 million.Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:49 pmAll companies pay 19% corporation tax.
Gary Lineker is not a company.
He’s a person.
Gary Lineker just like every individual in the country is not paying 19% on any money he withdraws from his company as a dividend.
Are you being deliberately ignorant ?
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Oh I do love lively debate on here ...
"Opens another bag of popcorn"
"Opens another bag of popcorn"
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You really don’t understand it do you ?
I won’t go as far as saying you are stupid because I genuinely don’t think you are…..generally.
But on this issue it’s actually embarrassing how little you understand.
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I find your attempt to patronise me both comical and insulting. What a crock. Standards of living in Scandinavia far outstrip ours, taxation is far higher and wealth distributed more evenly…. Low taxation helps investment, no doubt;=but maintains the societal gap…. The rich get richer still, the worker still gets whatever scraps the higher ups have thrown to them and ‘should be happy for it!Rowls wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:41 pmNo, actually. The only people I know who believe in "trickle down economics" are Labour or Lib Dem supporters who mistakenly think "it's what Tories believe".
Low taxation works for economies for a variety of reasons. You need a fair few other factors in place too - rule of law, independent judiciary, minimal or no tariff borders etc.. It's not an easy recipe but when a country gets it right, they become very prosperous. When they don't, they either stagnate or go backwards.
The whys and wherefores aren't really that important at the end of the day. The most important thing is that low taxation really DOES work - it makes us all more prosperous. That's something that would help the lowest paid right now as we're struggling with the effects of the lockdown policies and high government spending crashing the world economy.
Complete Victorian humbug.
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I've already said I'm not an expert on it but that's because, unlike Lineker, I've never earned a big amount.Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:53 pmYou really don’t understand it do you ?
I won’t go as far as saying you are stupid because I genuinely don’t think you are…..generally.
But on this issue it’s actually embarrassing how little you understand.
What I do know is that he has saved £4.9 million of tax that he would otherwise have paid. And I salute him for this.
What I also know (because I just worked it out) is that if income tax and the minimum wage were aligned so the lowest paid didn't have to pay income tax then they'd be £1437.80 per year better off.
This thread was started to congratulate Gary Lineker on evading the taxman (metaphorically) and to extoll the virtues of low taxation. If that puts a bee in your bonnet and you'd like to pay extra tax then just write out a cheque to the exchequer and send it off to 11 Downing Street - they will cash it.
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I’ve just had to read this again - it’s hilarious.
Says a lot about a person who admits he is no expert then continues to post the same utter ******** rather than do a basic bit of research
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There is no attempt to "patronise" you whatsoever. You said, "oh so you believe this" and I replied, "no, I believe this".elwaclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:54 pmI find your attempt to patronise me both comical and insulting. What a crock. Standards of living in Scandinavia far outstrip ours, taxation is far higher and wealth distributed more evenly…. Low taxation helps investment, no doubt;=but maintains the societal gap…. The rich get richer still, the worker still gets whatever scraps the higher ups have thrown to them and ‘should be happy for it!
Complete Victorian humbug.
I've extolled the virtue of low taxation very simply.
If the minimum wage and income tax were aligned then somebody working full time on minimum wage would be better off to the tune of £1437.80 per year. That's not the "tickle down" concept you were imagining.
That's wages that would go directly into the pay packets of the lowest paid. That is why I believe firmly in low taxation.
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The only research I really needed to do was the headline "Gary Lineker wins £4.9 million tax case". It tells me that Gary Lineker has successfully (legally) avoided paying £4.9 million in tax.Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:02 pmI’ve just had to read this again - it’s hilarious.
Says a lot about a person who admits he is no expert then continues to post the same utter ******** rather than do a basic bit of research
I'm cheering him on and all you're doing is bashing him.
Re: Gary Lineker
Rowls wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:02 pmThere is no attempt to "patronise" you whatsoever. You said, "oh so you believe this" and I replied, "no, I believe this".
I've extolled the virtue of low taxation very simply.
If the minimum wage and income tax were aligned then somebody working full time on minimum wage would be better off to the tune of £1437.80 per year. That's not the "tickle down" concept you were imagining.
That's wages that would go directly into the pay packets of the lowest paid. That is why I believe firmly in low taxation.
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Re: Gary Lineker
Quite an aptly named game/quiz show really
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Re: Gary Lineker
Low taxation further divides the populous into the fanciful old class system. Most of the issues currently crippling the country are Public sector- people who actually run the country and those behind the economy and education of the country. They are paid by taxes…. Therefore if you want to have the Best… Doctors, Academics, specialists… then you need a high tax system with high public sector pay. Just watch those waiting lists fall if people actually thought it was being well paid to work…. Across the system, hence the system is failing.Rowls wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:02 pmThere is no attempt to "patronise" you whatsoever. You said, "oh so you believe this" and I replied, "no, I believe this".
I've extolled the virtue of low taxation very simply.
If the minimum wage and income tax were aligned then somebody working full time on minimum wage would be better off to the tune of £1437.80 per year. That's not the "tickle down" concept you were imagining.
That's wages that would go directly into the pay packets of the lowest paid. That is why I believe firmly in low taxation.
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Re: Gary Lineker
So if that’s the only research you do need to do why do you keep on posting things about Lineker that are factually incorrect ?
Lineker has paid the same amount of tax (which will be a hell of a lot of tax btw) as any other director of a company who withdrew the amount of money he did. It will be a lot more than 19%.
You do realise that the personal income tax he pays on the dividend is in addition to the 19% corporation tax on the company profits ? Of course you don’t realise that - because you have zero clue what you are talking about.
Why is your criticism not with HMRC who have wasted tens of millions of pounds in the last few years unsuccessfully trying to take people to court for paying the taxes that their rules stipulate they should ? Which political party do you think have been urging these civil servants to try and pursue these cases ? Do you think it might be the same right wing party that you support ?
Try educating yourself a little bit on these matters before starting a thread.