That can also mean the division has been competitive, not necessarily weak.
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I’m relaxed about maatsen. If we get him in brilliant but I think there are other players who could replace him (Gomez being one). Beyer was the one player I was desperate to sign and I’m thrilled he did.
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Belgian press (HLN) linking us with Mike Tresor at Genk.
Here is some translation with his comments:
‘Best passer of the season, the Limburger is receiving interest from the Premier League and Burnley, where the profile of Mike Trésor is very popular with Vincent Kompany. This season was one of explosion for Mike Trésor, the competition's best passer. While Genk can still win the title, the Limburger knows he will have to make a decision about his future this summer but doesn't want to think about it just yet.
"I think that will be discussed in the coming weeks. We will sit around the table to discuss what is best for Genk and for myself. I am not saying that I will necessarily leave Belgium. I know that I still have a lot to learn and I must continue to strengthen myself on different levels" commented Trésor in the columns of Het Laatste Nieuws.
It's been a few weeks now that Vincent Kompany inquired about the profile of Mike Trésor. Now that the Clarets will play in the Premier League next season, the offer is even more attractive.
"Yes, I've been made aware of that interest. It's very nice to hear. He develops a philosophy that I would feel good about. For me, style of play has always been important in choosing a club." A statement that almost sounds like a foot call.’
Here is some translation with his comments:
‘Best passer of the season, the Limburger is receiving interest from the Premier League and Burnley, where the profile of Mike Trésor is very popular with Vincent Kompany. This season was one of explosion for Mike Trésor, the competition's best passer. While Genk can still win the title, the Limburger knows he will have to make a decision about his future this summer but doesn't want to think about it just yet.
"I think that will be discussed in the coming weeks. We will sit around the table to discuss what is best for Genk and for myself. I am not saying that I will necessarily leave Belgium. I know that I still have a lot to learn and I must continue to strengthen myself on different levels" commented Trésor in the columns of Het Laatste Nieuws.
It's been a few weeks now that Vincent Kompany inquired about the profile of Mike Trésor. Now that the Clarets will play in the Premier League next season, the offer is even more attractive.
"Yes, I've been made aware of that interest. It's very nice to hear. He develops a philosophy that I would feel good about. For me, style of play has always been important in choosing a club." A statement that almost sounds like a foot call.’
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As well, HLN mention we are keen on Alieu Fadera (21), along with Club Brugge and Genk. He’s a left or right winger playing in the Belgian league.
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Tresor gets lots of praise from all over, been touted for a while about a move to the Premier League.
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Got to think there’s some legs in this after reading thatRVclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:07 pmBelgian press (HLN) linking us with Mike Tresor at Genk.
Here is some translation with his comments:
‘Best passer of the season, the Limburger is receiving interest from the Premier League and Burnley, where the profile of Mike Trésor is very popular with Vincent Kompany. This season was one of explosion for Mike Trésor, the competition's best passer. While Genk can still win the title, the Limburger knows he will have to make a decision about his future this summer but doesn't want to think about it just yet.
"I think that will be discussed in the coming weeks. We will sit around the table to discuss what is best for Genk and for myself. I am not saying that I will necessarily leave Belgium. I know that I still have a lot to learn and I must continue to strengthen myself on different levels" commented Trésor in the columns of Het Laatste Nieuws.
It's been a few weeks now that Vincent Kompany inquired about the profile of Mike Trésor. Now that the Clarets will play in the Premier League next season, the offer is even more attractive.
"Yes, I've been made aware of that interest. It's very nice to hear. He develops a philosophy that I would feel good about. For me, style of play has always been important in choosing a club." A statement that almost sounds like a foot call.’
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Does sound promising yes. Only thing with Tresor is he’s operating mainly off the wide left for Genk, where of course we have Zaroury. Not that I have an issue with having both of them, I just wonder if we’ll commit to 10-15m for someone who’s not a guaranteed starter.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:23 pmGot to think there’s some legs in this after reading that
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VK has said that it has really helped his transfer business getting promoted so soon.
Do you think therefore we already have agreements or agreements in principle in place for a number of players which won’t or can’t be announced until their contracts are up on June 30 or all parties don’t want them announced just yet?
Do you think therefore we already have agreements or agreements in principle in place for a number of players which won’t or can’t be announced until their contracts are up on June 30 or all parties don’t want them announced just yet?
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going back about 6 months or so Maatsen said on his instagram that he was learning Spanish, I doubt that was just for his summer holidays so he obviously has an idea of him playing over there at some pointjedi_master wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:08 pmA few stories on Twitter that Maatsen is up for sale at Chelsea and that we’ve been talking to them. Maatsens agent speaking to other clubs as well. No idea (as ever) how accurate any of that actually is.
Desperately hope we manage to bring him in.
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Honestly I agree with a lot of what you say on here but this is pure garbage, yes there are roles within a team and Ian Maatsen's role wasn't to be the highest widest player, he was deployed as a left back.KRBFC wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:44 pmI’m sick of reading about Maatsen by people who know nothing.
Lesson number 1: young kids from the academy aren’t the finished product
HE’S JUST TURNED 21 YEARS OLD, OF COURSE HE’S GOING TO HAVE AREAS OF HIS GAME TO WORK ON.
like seriously, how uneducated do you have to be? Dutch u21 international, at the best Academy in world football, contributed massively to our promotion and still the same folk keep banging the same “he’s not the best ever defensively”.
Lesson number 2: THERE ARE ROLES WITHIN A TEAM
He wasn’t even in the fking team to primarily defend, he was the highest widest player for the majority of the season until he was reigned in a little for Roberts to be freed up.
Yes attacking wise he offered a lot but defensively he is very weak at the moment, nothing to do with age. He is 21 and at the 'best academy in the world' yet at 21 he's never made a first team appearance for them and they don't seem to rate him anywhere near good enough for the first team. Why is this?
He plays for the Dutch under 21's that's very good but means sweet FA regarding how he can defend, Lee Roche played for England under 21's how did that end? Not saying Maatsen will go the same way but we will defend a lot more in the premier league so him being the highest and widest player will cost us dearly, we need somebody stronger defensively.
We aren't Man City we aren't in a position to carry a defender that can't defend.
He is in the team to primarily defend no matter what you say, he looked so good going forward because we was so strong in that league.
Are you that uneducated that you don't realise the gap between the championship and premier league?
LESSON 1 don't accuse people of being uneducated or knowing nothing about football when there probably more qualified than yourself
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Had thought we’d get linked with him this summer after VKs scouting trips.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:23 pmGot to think there’s some legs in this after reading that
Of the realistic transfer links, Tresor & Mikautadze would be the two I’d be most excited about so far.
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1. I agree with pretty much everything you are saying about Maatsen…..it’s spot on tbh.KRBFC wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:44 pmI’m sick of reading about Maatsen by people who know nothing.
Lesson number 1: young kids from the academy aren’t the finished product
HE’S JUST TURNED 21 YEARS OLD, OF COURSE HE’S GOING TO HAVE AREAS OF HIS GAME TO WORK ON.
like seriously, how uneducated do you have to be? Dutch u21 international, at the best Academy in world football, contributed massively to our promotion and still the same folk keep banging the same “he’s not the best ever defensively”.
Lesson number 2: THERE ARE ROLES WITHIN A TEAM
He wasn’t even in the fking team to primarily defend, he was the highest widest player for the majority of the season until he was reigned in a little for Roberts to be freed up.
2. Why do you have to be such a d-ick about it though ?
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Perhaps he sees him as an interchangeable attacking midfielder.RVclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:30 pmDoes sound promising yes. Only thing with Tresor is he’s operating mainly off the wide left for Genk, where of course we have Zaroury. Not that I have an issue with having both of them, I just wonder if we’ll commit to 10-15m for someone who’s not a guaranteed starter.
I noticed that until last season he played nearly every game of his career in the central attacking midfielder role.
Maybe Kompany sees him as someone that could start central in some games and then play on the left in other?
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Yes those 2 and Lokonga.
Give a watch to the other lad in Belgium (Fadera) I mentioned too, I know you like your YouTube scouting trips
https://youtu.be/vblUYo1K0gA
Not sure about you but he reminds me a bit of Sarr.
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I think them two along with Lokonga are all likely to happen.
Fit the system and VKs style
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If Tresor can get us guestlist then I'm all for it.
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Because of the intensity we have to play, we need options. No way will Zaroury play 90 mins, every game, in the PL. The same holds true for most positions barring keeper and centre backs.RVclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:30 pmDoes sound promising yes. Only thing with Tresor is he’s operating mainly off the wide left for Genk, where of course we have Zaroury. Not that I have an issue with having both of them, I just wonder if we’ll commit to 10-15m for someone who’s not a guaranteed starter.
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I'm not sure ripping up the template of our most successful season for years is the way forward for next year - there will be tweaks, but not massive changes - I will be very surprised if our full backs aren't asked to play exactly the same role next seasonbumba wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:40 pmHonestly I agree with a lot of what you say on here but this is pure garbage, yes there are roles within a team and Ian Maatsen's role wasn't to be the highest widest player, he was deployed as a left back.
Yes attacking wise he offered a lot but defensively he is very weak at the moment, nothing to do with age. He is 21 and at the 'best academy in the world' yet at 21 he's never made a first team appearance for them and they don't seem to rate him anywhere near good enough for the first team. Why is this?
He plays for the Dutch under 21's that's very good but means sweet FA regarding how he can defend, Lee Roche played for England under 21's how did that end? Not saying Maatsen will go the same way but we will defend a lot more in the premier league so him being the highest and widest player will cost us dearly, we need somebody stronger defensively.
We aren't Man City we aren't in a position to carry a defender that can't defend.
He is in the team to primarily defend no matter what you say, he looked so good going forward because we was so strong in that league.
Are you that uneducated that you don't realise the gap between the championship and premier league?
LESSON 1 don't accuse people of being uneducated or knowing nothing about football when there probably more qualified than yourself
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Genk churn out some unbelievable talent - sounds promising does that
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Hard to read this thread sometimes but I think there are some good players out there who, shall we say, the more reliable sources are naming.
Lokonga
Gomez
Tresor
Mikautadze
These seem to be the ones with something more behind them than just a bloke in his bedroom who has run out of tissues making stuff up to cure the boredom.
Lokonga
Gomez
Tresor
Mikautadze
These seem to be the ones with something more behind them than just a bloke in his bedroom who has run out of tissues making stuff up to cure the boredom.
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I dont know much about Mikautadze, but players of that calibre would be four quality additions.ksrclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:07 pmHard to read this thread sometimes but I think there are some good players out there who, shall we say, the more reliable sources are naming.
Lokonga
Gomez
Tresor
Mikautadze
These seem to be the ones with something more behind them than just a bloke in his bedroom who has run out of tissues making stuff up to cure the boredom.
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Maatsen’s role in the team was to be the highest and widest player in the team for most of the season. It doesn’t matter if he was listed on the team sheet at left back, left wing, central midfield or whatever.
You’re living in the 1980’s with the rigid Dyche like 442, where left back just defends, central midfielders run around like headless chickens and strikers contribute only goals. The game has moved on, there is little point looking at the formation on the lineup, coaches like VK rotate in game between several weird lineups.
An example of this; Maatsen listed LB, Cullen listed CM, Maatsen high and wide, Cullen operated more like a left back. Roberts (listed RB) then tucked inside to replace Cullen in CM.
Defensively he isn’t very weak and it’s all to do with age, with age comes experience, of course a kid has things to work on, experience will aid his development. He hasn’t even fully grown yet!
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I know very, very little about the first two and absolutely nothing about the second two, but I could have said exactly the same in August of last year and that seemed to turn out okay.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:10 pmI dont know much about Mikautadze, but players of that calibre would be four quality additions.
You've just got to trust the management team and to be fair that's an easy thing at the moment.
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Everton after Wout
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@ Bumba
Refute this?
Pretty obvious he was in the team to be one of the biggest chance creators, and in help from transition from pinpoint quick passes from defence to attack.
I don’t know why people argue from a position of knowledge/authority when they’re quite clearly don’t really understand what they’re watching.
Football like KRBFC said has moved on significantly (without using that to beat Dyche with - because he’s also tactically very switched on)
Refute this?
Pretty obvious he was in the team to be one of the biggest chance creators, and in help from transition from pinpoint quick passes from defence to attack.
I don’t know why people argue from a position of knowledge/authority when they’re quite clearly don’t really understand what they’re watching.
Football like KRBFC said has moved on significantly (without using that to beat Dyche with - because he’s also tactically very switched on)
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Judging by how hard VK was already working in securing new signings even before his BFC appointment was confirmed, I have a feeling that once the window opens mid month, that a number will fall into place fairly soon after.
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The evidence of this is clear.KRBFC wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:14 pmMaatsen’s role in the team was to be the highest and widest player in the team for most of the season. It doesn’t matter if he was listed on the team sheet at left back, left wing, central midfield or whatever.
You’re living in the 1980’s with the rigid Dyche like 442, where left back just defends, central midfielders run around like headless chickens and strikers contribute only goals. The game has moved on, there is little point looking at the formation on the lineup, coaches like VK rotate in game between several weird lineups.
An example of this; Maatsen listed LB, Cullen listed CM, Maatsen high and wide, Cullen operated more like a left back. Roberts (listed RB) then tucked inside to replace Cullen in CM.
Defensively he isn’t very weak and it’s all to do with age, with age comes experience, of course a kid has things to work on, experience will aid his development. He hasn’t even fully grown yet!
Maatsen had a more advanced position across the season on average than cullen
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Gotta be a wind up. Dyche didn’t have a clue how to use him.
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London Evening Standard suggesting Chelsea want £20m for Maatsen.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footba ... 85474.html
Think that opens the door for Sergio Gomez from City (unless we loan Maatsen again).
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footba ... 85474.html
Think that opens the door for Sergio Gomez from City (unless we loan Maatsen again).
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Don’t see us breaking our transfer record on a full back
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Isn't Maatsen going into the last 12 month of his contract at Chelsea?RVclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:33 pmLondon Evening Standard suggesting Chelsea want £20m for Maatsen.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footba ... 85474.html
Think that opens the door for Sergio Gomez from City (unless we loan Maatsen again).
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I think they meant 2.0 millionRVclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:33 pmLondon Evening Standard suggesting Chelsea want £20m for Maatsen.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footba ... 85474.html
Think that opens the door for Sergio Gomez from City (unless we loan Maatsen again).
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You know me too well RVRVclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:48 pmYes those 2 and Lokonga.
Give a watch to the other lad in Belgium (Fadera) I mentioned too, I know you like your YouTube scouting trips
https://youtu.be/vblUYo1K0gA
Not sure about you but he reminds me a bit of Sarr.
Yeah, he definitely has a bit of Sarr about him. Leggy but skilful. Looks more one for the future to me… Tresor would be battling it out for a place in the team.
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Does this mean you think you know everything?KRBFC wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:44 pmI’m sick of reading about Maatsen by people who know nothing.
Lesson number 1: young kids from the academy aren’t the finished product
HE’S JUST TURNED 21 YEARS OLD, OF COURSE HE’S GOING TO HAVE AREAS OF HIS GAME TO WORK ON.
like seriously, how uneducated do you have to be? Dutch u21 international, at the best Academy in world football, contributed massively to our promotion and still the same folk keep banging the same “he’s not the best ever defensively”.
Lesson number 2: THERE ARE ROLES WITHIN A TEAM
He wasn’t even in the fking team to primarily defend, he was the highest widest player for the majority of the season until he was reigned in a little for Roberts to be freed up.
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Let's hope so........might lessen the bickering on here.warksclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:28 pmJudging by how hard VK was already working in securing new signings even before his BFC appointment was confirmed, I have a feeling that once the window opens mid month, that a number will fall into place fairly soon after.
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Love the optimism!Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:10 pmLet's hope so........might lessen the bickering on here.
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So VK has told you Ian Maatsen's role is too be the highest and widest player at all times?KRBFC wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:14 pmMaatsen’s role in the team was to be the highest and widest player in the team for most of the season. It doesn’t matter if he was listed on the team sheet at left back, left wing, central midfield or whatever.
You’re living in the 1980’s with the rigid Dyche like 442, where left back just defends, central midfielders run around like headless chickens and strikers contribute only goals. The game has moved on, there is little point looking at the formation on the lineup, coaches like VK rotate in game between several weird lineups.
An example of this; Maatsen listed LB, Cullen listed CM, Maatsen high and wide, Cullen operated more like a left back. Roberts (listed RB) then tucked inside to replace Cullen in CM.
Defensively he isn’t very weak and it’s all to do with age, with age comes experience, of course a kid has things to work on, experience will aid his development. He hasn’t even fully grown yet!
His role is left back, a left back these days attacks as much as they defend but his job over Zaroury's on the left was to stop the right winger, something he struggled with against anybody half decent.
You seem to think your from the school of football with a brain like Pep.
Ian Maatsen if deployed in our team in the premier league will have to defend more than he gets to attack, plenty of 21 year old full backs can defend.
Why does TAA get so much stick regarding his defending? Why did Liverpool concede so many goals from his side? Why doesn't the England manager fancy him when he's so good at attacking and creating chances? Maybe it's because his role is to defend first.
All roles have changed but there also still as simple as ever, football is a simple game.
We just play an expressive style of play now where players get more freedom to move out of the usual squares players used to be taught to play in and can roam more freely when in possession but out of possession Ian Maatsen's role is to get back in to the left back position and defend.
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More advanced in possession because Cullen's role was to cover gaps left by full backs, out of possession Maatsen was deeper and needed to defend.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:28 pmThe evidence of this is clear.
Maatsen had a more advanced position across the season on average than cullen
There's two parts to put game in possession and out of possession, some of you 'in the know' modern tactic genius' only seem to understand one side of our game
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Mate, you are digging yourself a huge hole herebumba wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:14 pmSo VK has told you Ian Maatsen's role is too be the highest and widest player at all times?
His role is left back, a left back these days attacks as much as they defend but his job over Zaroury's on the left was to stop the right winger, something he struggled with against anybody half decent.
You seem to think your from the school of football with a brain like Pep.
Ian Maatsen if deployed in our team in the premier league will have to defend more than he gets to attack, plenty of 21 year old full backs can defend.
Why does TAA get so much stick regarding his defending? Why did Liverpool concede so many goals from his side? Why doesn't the England manager fancy him when he's so good at attacking and creating chances? Maybe it's because his role is to defend first.
All roles have changed but there also still as simple as ever, football is a simple game.
We just play an expressive style of play now where players get more freedom to move out of the usual squares players used to be taught to play in and can roam more freely when in possession but out of possession Ian Maatsen's role is to get back in to the left back position and defend.
There is no way that we'd play the way we did last season and then suddenly change the role of both full backs (who excelled)
If they don't go forward, then we aren't anywhere near as attacking, then we aren't anywhere near as threatening, then we aren't anywhere near the team that romped the championship
There will be tactical tweaks I'm sure, but not like that
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In the absence of any decent sport on tv this afternoon I was going to watch a sky sports boxing gold classic of Hagler v Hearns.
I might put that on hold for a while to watch The Burnley Pep v Burnley Bassett
I might put that on hold for a while to watch The Burnley Pep v Burnley Bassett
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Update on MaatsenTricky Trevor wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 3:20 pmMaatsen has had some tremendous games but far too many poor games for me to think he can cut it in the PL.
Muric has made very few WOW saves and has been beaten too often without making an attempt. Either his positioning is poor or his reflexes.
Only opinions.
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You’ve just completely ignored any/every viewpoint and evidence to contradict your original assertion by creating your own reality to try and justify your own viewpoint.bumba wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:14 pmSo VK has told you Ian Maatsen's role is too be the highest and widest player at all times?
His role is left back, a left back these days attacks as much as they defend but his job over Zaroury's on the left was to stop the right winger, something he struggled with against anybody half decent.
You seem to think your from the school of football with a brain like Pep.
Ian Maatsen if deployed in our team in the premier league will have to defend more than he gets to attack, plenty of 21 year old full backs can defend.
Why does TAA get so much stick regarding his defending? Why did Liverpool concede so many goals from his side? Why doesn't the England manager fancy him when he's so good at attacking and creating chances? Maybe it's because his role is to defend first.
All roles have changed but there also still as simple as ever, football is a simple game.
We just play an expressive style of play now where players get more freedom to move out of the usual squares players used to be taught to play in and can roam more freely when in possession but out of possession Ian Maatsen's role is to get back in to the left back position and defend.
Trent gets stick because he watches players walk past him and doesn’t get stuck in - he isn’t in that team at right back to defend and looks a bit more vulnerable now because the guy who was sweeping up for him (Jordan Henderson) is a few years older and a bit slower.
It’s infuriating and tiresome hearing/listening to people’s opinions on players/tactics - especially around Maatsen and Muric when it’s coming from pure ignorance.