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I'm intrigued as to what systems would suit him? All I'm reading is that United's system didn't suit him either. So he's been a flop at a more direct style (ours), he's been a flop at a counter attacking more mobile team (United). The one common denominator in all of these flops is the 6 foot plus flop himself..
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A patient, possession-based system, like our own?Andreshotboots wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:35 pmI'm intrigued as to what systems would suit him? All I'm reading is that United's system didn't suit him either. So he's been a flop at a more direct style (ours), he's been a flop at a counter attacking more mobile team (United). The one common denominator in all of these flops is the 6 foot plus flop himself..
It's been very obvious to me all season that he'd be very well suited to the way we've played this season, an obvious upgrade on both Jay and Barnes and a big help in defending set pieces (our only obvious weakness).
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He didn’t really get enough games for us to justify calling him a flop. He is a better player than many on here are giving him credit for.Andreshotboots wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:35 pmI'm intrigued as to what systems would suit him? All I'm reading is that United's system didn't suit him either. So he's been a flop at a more direct style (ours), he's been a flop at a counter attacking more mobile team (United). The one common denominator in all of these flops is the 6 foot plus flop himself..
I would be happy to see him in our Premier League squad next season. Yes he may not score a hatful, however he is a good link up player and can hold the ball up very well. The sort of player we will need next season when we will have far less of the ball than we enjoyed in the Championship.
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The specific abilities that you are using as praise WW are fundamental to any reasonable centre forward.Jamesy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:02 pmHe didn’t really get enough games for us to justify calling him a flop. He is a better player than many on here are giving him credit for.
I would be happy to see him in our Premier League squad next season. Yes he may not score a hatful, however he is a good link up player and can hold the ball up very well. The sort of player we will need next season when we will have far less of the ball than we enjoyed in the Championship.
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No sh1t Sherlock.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:06 pmThe specific abilities that you are using as praise WW are fundamental to any reasonable centre forward.
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There is only one system that would suit him and its a one way system to another club ASAP for as much as we can get for him.We don't want him anywhere near our club !Andreshotboots wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:35 pmI'm intrigued as to what systems would suit him? All I'm reading is that United's system didn't suit him either. So he's been a flop at a more direct style (ours), he's been a flop at a counter attacking more mobile team (United). The one common denominator in all of these flops is the 6 foot plus flop himself..
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To demonstrate that he has the attributes required.
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It could just work.
I reckon he'll get further up the pitch in a more controlled way with us, and he's pretty handy with his feet around the box.
So far, I don't like anything about his involvement with us.
Stranger things have happened.
I reckon he'll get further up the pitch in a more controlled way with us, and he's pretty handy with his feet around the box.
So far, I don't like anything about his involvement with us.
Stranger things have happened.
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Message boards are often about opinions and perceptions. I think ours differ when we discuss Weghorst.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:25 pmit would be much better for his perceived image (as a BFC player) if we had seen any other attributes.
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And pray how is he going to be a big help defending for us ,he can’t head the bloody ball?lucs86 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:57 pmA patient, possession-based system, like our own?
It's been very obvious to me all season that he'd be very well suited to the way we've played this season, an obvious upgrade on both Jay and Barnes and a big help in defending set pieces (our only obvious weakness).
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His arrogance and massive ego just doesn’t fit with our culture. When you’ve got nothing in the English game at least to back it up with , he just comes across as a bit of a tit to me
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We seem to be the only 2 people who see this.Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:21 pmHis arrogance and massive ego just doesn’t fit with our culture. When you’ve got nothing in the English game at least to back it up with , he just comes across as a bit of a tit to me
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Not seen anything from him yet to suggest he’d improve our team. Just not suited to the Premier League at all.
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Everything I saw of him in a Man U shirt suggests he won’t be scoring goals in the PL anytime soon.
Slow, immobile, weak in the air and an amazing ability (for a striker) to get into the least dangerous positions when his team is attacking.
If someone is willing to offer £5m+ for him, cash in.
Slow, immobile, weak in the air and an amazing ability (for a striker) to get into the least dangerous positions when his team is attacking.
If someone is willing to offer £5m+ for him, cash in.
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I actually think he’s a decent player. But, a fully fit Jay is better.lucs86 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:57 pmA patient, possession-based system, like our own?
It's been very obvious to me all season that he'd be very well suited to the way we've played this season, an obvious upgrade on both Jay and Barnes and a big help in defending set pieces (our only obvious weakness).
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I hope to god that he doesn't return. The sight of that gangly gait of his striding up and down the pitch doesn't bear thinking about. Sean can have him at a knock down price. I reckon that he must have had a hand in signing him in the first place. I mean, he bought Crouch!
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Hope he goes. Not very good and all ego to boot.
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Manure would not have gone anywhere near him if he hadn't scored those two goals in the WC. A so-called top club signing a loan player on the back of two goals.
Only 2 goals in 31 appearances, in all competitions, but none in the Premier League.
Only 2 goals in 31 appearances, in all competitions, but none in the Premier League.
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He did so well they decided not to keep him. He seems to have become one of those Burnley players who rapidly improve the longer they are out of the team. I can't ever remember a player so talked about for so little output.
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To be fair, it's not like he's drifted into obscurity and not played since he left us.
He went to Turkey and averaged 1 in 2.
Scored a brace in the World Cup quarter finals against the eventual winners
Went to Man Utd, played in virtually every single game including 2 domestic cup finals and Europa League games against Barcelona and came 3rd in the league.
Whether or not he comes back and plays for us I don't really mind but all this hyperbolic he's ****, he's done nothing seems to be ignoring the reality.
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He's been **** in the Premier League from almost the word go. It's nice for him that he had his moment in the World Cup and before he came to Burnley he clearly had something about him in the Bundesliga.
Nobody can seriously get away from how bad he's been in the Premier League though. Clear to anyone with eyes on the field that his Manchester United colleagues were very aware of how out of place he was in that team. Unless we seriously consider being on the field to be an indicator that he's done something good, there's just absolutely nothing to suggest he's up to it.
Nobody can seriously get away from how bad he's been in the Premier League though. Clear to anyone with eyes on the field that his Manchester United colleagues were very aware of how out of place he was in that team. Unless we seriously consider being on the field to be an indicator that he's done something good, there's just absolutely nothing to suggest he's up to it.
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One way of lucking at Aggi.
Another one is that he went to a poor league and scored 8 goals
He scored 2 goals for Netherlands after coming on as 4th sub 10 minutes from the end in a game they were losing 2-0
He played for a United team with forwards who the manager had said would not be here in the summer.
He failed to score in 17 premier league games for a team that hardly lost any of those games, scored lots of goals and make several chances a game (some very good ones for WW that he missed)
I agree with you that none of that means he is sh-ite. He very clearly is not. One of the best managers in Europe and one of the most experienced managers in the history of the game would not be picking a player who did not have quality. It’s just a hunch but I’m guessing they know more about the game than any of us on this message board.
The issue is that with the opportunities he has had for us and United it’s a pretty big risk for a team to take him and be confident he is going to score in this league.
People will say that his time at Burnley cannot be used as a yardstick because of the way we played under Dyche (despite the fact he did miss 3 or 4 big chances for us)
And people usually also say that United are a basket case of a club that can ruin a player - and that can also be true - other than this year they had a very good season and I’m not sure whether there is any logic for him missing some of the chances he missed at United which he scored with ease in Germany.
Another one is that he went to a poor league and scored 8 goals
He scored 2 goals for Netherlands after coming on as 4th sub 10 minutes from the end in a game they were losing 2-0
He played for a United team with forwards who the manager had said would not be here in the summer.
He failed to score in 17 premier league games for a team that hardly lost any of those games, scored lots of goals and make several chances a game (some very good ones for WW that he missed)
I agree with you that none of that means he is sh-ite. He very clearly is not. One of the best managers in Europe and one of the most experienced managers in the history of the game would not be picking a player who did not have quality. It’s just a hunch but I’m guessing they know more about the game than any of us on this message board.
The issue is that with the opportunities he has had for us and United it’s a pretty big risk for a team to take him and be confident he is going to score in this league.
People will say that his time at Burnley cannot be used as a yardstick because of the way we played under Dyche (despite the fact he did miss 3 or 4 big chances for us)
And people usually also say that United are a basket case of a club that can ruin a player - and that can also be true - other than this year they had a very good season and I’m not sure whether there is any logic for him missing some of the chances he missed at United which he scored with ease in Germany.
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Since early April he's mostly featured as a sub. He only came on as sub in the FA Cup Final. Against Barcelona second league he was subbed at half-time with United 1-0 down and they went on to win 2-1. The impression is that latterly Martial was preferred. It seems like ten Hag had an idea that Weghorst would be beneficial for United but it didn't work out.aggi wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:22 amTo be fair, it's not like he's drifted into obscurity and not played since he left us.
He went to Turkey and averaged 1 in 2.
Scored a brace in the World Cup quarter finals against the eventual winners
Went to Man Utd, played in virtually every single game including 2 domestic cup finals and Europa League games against Barcelona and came 3rd in the league.
Whether or not he comes back and plays for us I don't really mind but all this hyperbolic he's ****, he's done nothing seems to be ignoring the reality.
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How can you arrive at this conclusion when he only played 20 games for us in an ultra negative Dyche set up? I accept he did miss a couple of decent chances, although the Villa one was actually good defensive covering by Mings.
I think if Vincent welcomes him into the fold he will be decent for us next season. Just my opinion of course as I know many on here have written him off. If Vincent doesn’t include him in his plans we will at least get back what we paid for him. Let’s wait and see.
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I genuinely cant decide what I think is the right answer.
If the money we paid is offered, snap their hands off.
If Weghorst is back for pre-season in 3 weeks (taking into account he finished on Saturday), then lets see how he gets on - I can't see Kompany freezing him out at this stage.
I think he 'could' work well for us in the role that Barnes played.
However, the attitude, and lack of goals in the prem, make me hope someone puts an offer in.
Or, can we loan him to a championship side? Just for a laugh
If the money we paid is offered, snap their hands off.
If Weghorst is back for pre-season in 3 weeks (taking into account he finished on Saturday), then lets see how he gets on - I can't see Kompany freezing him out at this stage.
I think he 'could' work well for us in the role that Barnes played.
However, the attitude, and lack of goals in the prem, make me hope someone puts an offer in.
Or, can we loan him to a championship side? Just for a laugh
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Yes, but he's still been coming off the bench virtually every game including the FA cup final when they needed a goal. I'm not saying that if he comes back he's going to score loads of goals or be our star player that keeps us up. Just that those queueing up to say how absolutely terrible he is are getting carried away.Hipper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:54 amSince early April he's mostly featured as a sub. He only came on as sub in the FA Cup Final. Against Barcelona second league he was subbed at half-time with United 1-0 down and they went on to win 2-1. The impression is that latterly Martial was preferred. It seems like ten Hag had an idea that Weghorst would be beneficial for United but it didn't work out.
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There has been many players coming from the Bundesliga who have bombed in England at least Wout was cheap
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Wout is on the bench tonight for Netherlands in their UEFA Nations League Semi Final against Croatia.
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Listen to all the Ballon d'Or winners bagging an international pro, most of you couldn't pass wind, never mind a football. It's remarkable how many people watch so much football and still have no clue what's going on.
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I probably couldn't cook a roast dinner like Delia Smith, but if she came at me with garlic on my weetabix I'd tell her she'd lost her mind. Not being of a particular profession doesn't prohibit a layperson from having views on its practitioners. Wout Weghorst is unbelievably shite. All national teams have periods where their options in any given position are unbelievably shite. Bobby Zamora played for England.
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I'm not a mechanic but I know when my car won't start.
Gout Carthorse won't play for Burnley again.
He's simply not good enough.
Gout Carthorse won't play for Burnley again.
He's simply not good enough.
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I will raise you, Michael RickettsSpiral wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:53 pmI probably couldn't cook a roast dinner like Delia Smith, but if she came at me with garlic on my weetabix I'd tell her she'd lost her mind. Not being of a particular profession doesn't prohibit a layperson from having views on its practitioners. Wout Weghorst is unbelievably shite. All national teams have periods where their options in any given position are unbelievably shite. Bobby Zamora played for England.
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I’m not a Weghorst fan by any means but I do know he’s not shite and neither was Bobby Zamora (he was a long long way from being shite actually)
I think people who use descriptions like that about players who have played for their country and in top European leagues have probably never played the game. If they had played to any kind of half decent level at some point they will have played against a team or a player where you quickly realise they are a step up in quality.
When you then see ex professionals playing the game in veteran matches for example you see another big difference in quality.
Take that up a few notches when you are talking about the likes of Weghorst and Zamora.
Doesn’t mean we should sign Weghorst or that he is good enough for United (or the Premier League even). But on the quality range there’s a lot in between that level and “shite footballer” !!
I think people who use descriptions like that about players who have played for their country and in top European leagues have probably never played the game. If they had played to any kind of half decent level at some point they will have played against a team or a player where you quickly realise they are a step up in quality.
When you then see ex professionals playing the game in veteran matches for example you see another big difference in quality.
Take that up a few notches when you are talking about the likes of Weghorst and Zamora.
Doesn’t mean we should sign Weghorst or that he is good enough for United (or the Premier League even). But on the quality range there’s a lot in between that level and “shite footballer” !!
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no he's shite they're both shite you wanna define terms but i wanna define wegorst he's shiteBig Vinny K wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:33 pmI’m not a Weghorst fan by any means but I do know he’s not shite and neither was Bobby Zamora (he was a long long way from being shite actually)
I think people who use descriptions like that about players who have played for their country and in top European leagues have probably never played the game. If they had played to any kind of half decent level at some point they will have played against a team or a player where you quickly realise they are a step up in quality.
When you then see ex professionals playing the game in veteran matches for example you see another big difference in quality.
Take that up a few notches when you are talking about the likes of Weghorst and Zamora.
Doesn’t mean we should sign Weghorst or that he is good enough for United (or the Premier League even). But on the quality range there’s a lot in between that level and “shite footballer” !!
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What a strange little man you are
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He's dreadful.
If we can get anywhere near what we paid for him then we should cash in.
The only saving grace is that he cost us less than the massive overpayment Newcastle agreed to for his predecessor
If we can get anywhere near what we paid for him then we should cash in.
The only saving grace is that he cost us less than the massive overpayment Newcastle agreed to for his predecessor
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Whatever the view - be it shite, magnificent or anywhere in between, there is one thing I do know:
He didn't score last night (again).
He didn't score last night (again).
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The Dutch fans are saying some nice things about him 'beyond useless " is an example .
'the worst striker they've ever seen ' is another.Wout will score a hatfull of goals with the right team in the right league.Im thinking Accy or maybe even Bury . Seriously though,I will be very surprised if a prem club goes near him
'the worst striker they've ever seen ' is another.Wout will score a hatfull of goals with the right team in the right league.Im thinking Accy or maybe even Bury . Seriously though,I will be very surprised if a prem club goes near him
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And we got a loan fee from Man Utd to offset some of the cost and didn't pay his wages ,with a bit of luck we might just break even.
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Who, despite being outstanding for us previously, has also been very poor since. So on balance we probably don’t have too much to complain about (although I imagine keeping Wood would’ve kept us up).
I still think we’ll get the £10m or close to. That’s a pittance now for an international striker, especially when Championship strikers are going for £15-20m. Someone will take him.
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Re, re raise, Stuart Ripley. Game over