Fan's Voice

[CoolClaret]

I was blocked on Twitter by a few of the fairer sex that are on the FAB for asking for minutes. They stated they had had a few good meetings with interesting points raised but was very much “we know something you don’t know”

Yeah I can imagine - a nice faux sense of entitlement.

[Nori1958]

I found the minutes on the Club Site in the summary of FAB meetings:https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/mor ... ters-clubs

Thanks for that, I must admit I'd never looked because of all the fuss there'd been because they weren't being released and we didn't know who was on it. I read the most recent one and to be honest didn't learn anything I didn't know already

[Chester Perry]

The 'fan-advisory board' is about as useful as an ethics committee in North Korea - gives some fans a false sense of entitlement/influence as though whatever they say/do/care matters one jot, more than likely it's just another easy way for some PR from Pace to trickle down to the BFC fans that will lap it up

I mean honestly - check this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4-cdqMIXU0&t=2815s

Alan Pace - "I want (us) to win a Champions League"

Pace is either nuts or thinks those sat on the 'fan-advisory board' will lap up any old crap - "you believed him, you believed that's what he wants".

Deary me.

It has to be remembered that Fan Advisory boards are Premier League initiatives - they are not meant to be all that meaningful in the way people expect, they were created in the light of the Fan Led review recommendations being accepted and the prospect of an Independent Regulator for Football being installed, All Premier League have them, with the more established holding elections for new members at the end of terms served. Perhaps the most radical in approach is the one for Everton but that is because the members have repeatedly sought to overstep the boundaries of their role.

FAB's have a place, particularly if their remit is widened. It is just a shame that long established relationships with in some cases decades old supporters groups at multiple clubs have been binned for them, when in a number of cases those supporters groups have played significant roles in getting their clubs through difficult times.

[KRBFC]

She appeared on the tv programme about JJ Watt and spoke about us winning the league in 1960 with only two professional players in Elder and McIlroy. She said the rest worked down the mine on a Saturday morning and then turned up at the Turf in their working clothes, got changed and played.

How do people come up with this nonsense?

Interestingly what is the true story? I assume all players in the top division were professional back then?

[Andingle]

Thanks for that.

Have meeting minutes always been released over the years or is this a new thing from this group?

I don't recall hearing anything previously

[wilks_bfc]

Minutes from last FAB meeting.

https://media-cdn.incrowdsports.com/aac ... b1548d.pdf

Thanks for sharing that

From reading that, it’s either a very “fluffy” meeting or the minutes are heavily redacted

[Clovius Boofus]

Surely the coal mine thing was a bit of hyperbole and not to be taken seriously.

[Nori1958]

Thanks for sharing that

From reading that, it’s either a very “fluffy” meeting or the minutes are heavily redacted

I'd go with fluffy.

[TsarBomba]

Do FAB canvass for questions prior to these meetings?

Because reading those minutes, the questions put forth by FAB are banal.

[Sozturf7]

Not in my name. Trash.

[Leisure]

Maybe I've missed it previously but wasn't aware that 9 banning orders were given to our fans following the trouble in the JHU at the Everton game.

[Quickenthetempo]

So 9 Burnley fans got banning orders for the Everton game fiasco?

[sjb]

Minutes from last FAB meeting.

https://media-cdn.incrowdsports.com/aac ... b1548d.pdf

I'd like to know which buffoon fed back that the Jimmy McIlroy Hospitality is 'amazing.' It has been many things this season but amazing certainly isn't one of them.

[Stockbrokerbelt]

Personally more than happy with the board, manager, staff & playing style, it’s a 3/5 year plan with the aim of making the club as a whole much stronger. Last years season was up there with the best ever, this season it’s failure in many ways but I think we have shown in many games some of the great young talent we have. Next year it looks like the championship & the slog it is but with additions in midfield & full backs I feel we will be one of the best teams & favs to go up, time will tell. The problem with parts of our fan base hear or read something from pundits or other fans & take it as gospel with even suggesting they could do better? I could mention how tough a league it is, clubs with years of investment & in a lot of cases over invested & are facing financial crisis, as for football styles I was sick to death of the way we played under the previous regime as were many of the posters on here, she does not speak for me & again an individual full of self importance to think she does.

[Leisure]

So 9 Burnley fans got banning orders for the Everton game fiasco?

According to those minutes.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Personally more than happy with the board, manager, staff & playing style, it’s a 3/5 year plan with the aim of making the club as a whole much stronger. Last years season was up there with the best ever, this season it’s failure in many ways but I think we have shown in many games some of the great young talent we have. Next year it looks like the championship & the slog it is but with additions in midfield & full backs I feel we will be one of the best teams & favs to go up, time will tell. The problem with parts of our fan base hear or read something from pundits or other fans & take it as gospel with even suggesting they could do better? I could mention how tough a league it is, clubs with years of investment & in a lot of cases over invested & are facing financial crisis, as for football styles I was sick to death of the way we played under the previous regime as were many of the posters on here, she does not speak for me & again an individual full of self importance to think she does.

What did you like about our style of play last season genuinely interested to hear your thoughts.

[Chester Perry]

I don't recall hearing anything previously

The reporting started once we were in the Premier League, as per Premier League guidance

Just do not mistake them for minutes - they are not - the title meeting summary tells you that

that said with the notion that some sensitive information is shared at these meetings it would not be right for full minutes to be shared - though summaries are much useful from a PR perspective than seeing a host of redactions in published minutes

[boatshed bill]

It reads like it was written by someone sitting their GCSE's
But it's nice to have someone making my decisions and expressing my opinion

[CoolClaret]

It has to be remembered that Fan Advisory boards are Premier League initiatives - they are not meant to be all that meaningful in the way people expect, they were created in the light of the Fan Led review recommendations being accepted and the prospect of an Independent Regulator for Football being installed, All Premier League have them, with the more established holding elections for new members at the end of terms served. Perhaps the most radical in approach is the one for Everton but that is because the members have repeatedly sought to overstep the boundaries of their role.

FAB's have a place, particularly if their remit is widened. It is just a shame that long established relationships with in some cases decades old supporters groups at multiple clubs have been binned for them, when in a number of cases those supporters groups have played significant roles in getting their clubs through difficult times.

For sure and I'm partially in agreement - but to me they really do feel a bit 'token-istic', for want of a better word.

[Quickenthetempo]

According to those minutes.

I read the question from the fan as, Was there any action taken against staff/decision makers who put the Everton fans there?

If that was the case, they certainly spun it back on to the fans being at fault.

[ClaretTony]

Interestingly what is the true story? I assume all players in the top division were professional back then?

Of course they were full time professional. She also said that apart from McIlroy and Elder, they were all local lads. In truth only Brian Miller was.

A lot of the players, when they were younger, served their time at the pit. Jimmy Robson and Adam Blacklaw I believed served time as an electrician and bricklayer respectively. That was so they wouldn't have to do their national service. But that was long before they were first team players.

[Middle-agedClaret]

I realise that these will seem like petty observations on the FAB account, but I’d like to have some of whatever the Chairman’s on if he’s feeling optimistic about the “group”.
And I’m genuinely surprised if no one at the meeting questioned why the Burnley FC dinner was being held in Manchester.
UTC.

[clansman]

Tony I believe John Connelly had made the first team whilst still at Halton Pit. Surface worker not a miner.

[Nori1958]

I realise that these will seem like petty observations on the FAB account, but I’d like to have some of whatever the Chairman’s on if he’s feeling optimistic about the “group”.
And I’m genuinely surprised if no one at the meeting questioned why the Burnley FC dinner was being held in Manchester.
UTC.

I think that was answered by the amount of money raised compared to when it was held in Burnley

[beeholeclaret]

Tony I believe John Connelly had made the first team whilst still at Halton Pit. Surface worker not a miner.

I think he was working at Bank Hall pit when he received news of being called up to play for England. Imagine players like Jadon Sancho having to break off from their PlayStation session to hear about an England call up. Different world.

[Mala591]

Surely the coal mine thing was a bit of hyperbole and not to be taken seriously.

They came out of the Bee Hole pit head straight onto the pitch. It must have saved loads of money in transport costs!

[CoolClaret]

Straight out of the pit, down to the miners for a pre-match 'bene-n-hot', then over to the Turf to fire the Clarets to a Division One title 1959-60.

Pie and peas for tea, Sunday day of rest and back at it on Monday - the Burnley way.

[South West Claret.]

Currently going through the 1985 miners strike with a series on Radio 4.

Thought the words were and are still appropriate today.

[TPClaret]

What a clown. Blocked me on X. Thinks she’s a football expert. Probably never kicked a ball

[steve1264b]

The rise of the youtube/pod cast fan.

When all.is going well its fine, however they are asked to go onto radio/tv (cheap for production companies) and they are treated as the voice of the fans.

Now Natalie was quite vocal saying she wanted VK out, but didnt follow thst up when she was on national radio.

Ive heard Tony on national radio and there is no reason why they shouldnt do it, but they dont speak for the fan base.

If things get fractious next season will these podcasts just let anyone spout any old rubbish and pursue their own personal agenda?

[Chester Perry]

If things get fractious next season will these podcasts just let anyone spout any old rubbish and pursue their own personal agenda?

is that not the nature of a self produced podcast?

[claptrappers_union]

I mentioned in another thread I don't listen to the Burnley podcasts, apart from the 'From The BeeHole' one, albeit very recently.

I don't care what football fans think. For instance, the opening of the TurfMoorhouse one, which is linked in this thread, opened about one of the guests 'killing it on social media' and sending Palace fans video clips on Instagram... who cares? Maybe it's just imperative to younger fans, that sort of stuff, I dunno.

What I like about From the Beehole Podcast is that they are professional journalists, there is a sense of balance, and the episodes are tight without much waffling.

[steve1264b]

It is, but there are standards.

The potential is it gets a lot worse than a strongly worded letter to the Burnley Express!!

[Chester Perry]

It is, but there are standards.

The potential is it gets a lot worse than a strongly worded letter to the Burnley Express!!

some will go for the drama to get hits, others have something they like to say and never have to much expectation about who listens and a few take a more structured rounded view - from a Burnley perspective NNN Pod started the ball rolling and got a great mix of gender and age but FTBHE has raised the quality level of overall discussion as a result of their working background- though as has been pointed out to them even that can be a bit puerile at times.

[Mala591]

Straight out of the pit, down to the miners for a pre-match 'bene-n-hot', then over to the Turf to fire the Clarets to a Division One title 1959-60.

Pie and peas for tea, Sunday day of rest and back at it on Monday - the Burnley way.

Don’t forget a couple of fags at half time!

[ClaretTony]

The rise of the youtube/pod cast fan.

When all.is going well its fine, however they are asked to go onto radio/tv (cheap for production companies) and they are treated as the voice of the fans.

Now Natalie was quite vocal saying she wanted VK out, but didnt follow thst up when she was on national radio.

Ive heard Tony on national radio and there is no reason why they shouldnt do it, but they dont speak for the fan base.

If things get fractious next season will these podcasts just let anyone spout any old rubbish and pursue their own personal agenda?

I used to do radio often but been some time since I did. But I always gave MY opinion on things. It’s not for me to speak for anyone else.

[Billyblah]

In reading that article I'm not seeing where she is speaking on behalf of "all" fans.
It comes across as a reasonable reflection of what many people are posting on this forum.

[dougcollins]

Do FAB canvass for questions prior to these meetings?

Because reading those minutes, the questions put forth by FAB are banal.

Probably an element of they ask the questions they're allowed to ask.

[Middle-agedClaret]

I think that was answered by the amount of money raised compared to when it was held in Burnley

OK. I’m sure you are correct. The point isn’t made in the FAB account.

[taio]

In reading that article I'm not seeing where she is speaking on behalf of "all" fans.
It comes across as a reasonable reflection of what many people are posting on this forum.

'Burnley fans are completely disengaged from this team and this manager.'

[Nori1958]

OK. I’m sure you are correct. The point isn’t made in the FAB account.

From January's summary


The CEO of Burnley FC in the Community provided a detailed background to the benefit of the previous
Charity dinner and the impact it has on the wider Burnley community. The charity dinner in 2023 raised
£60,000 versus £15,000 at the same event held in Burnley in 2022.

[jedi_master]

She doesn’t speak for me or anyone else but I imagine that was an unintended turn of phrase rather than any insinuation that she did.

Shite article/piece regardless though.

[steve1264b]

Ive re read my comments and i dont mean it as a slur that they dont speak for the fan base, just that its presented as such by the media.

Natalie is perfectly entittled to believe VK should be sacked, but if she says that on national media it becomes a story, whereas in the old days a strongly worded letter to the burnley express was a topic of conversation in the pub.

As fans, who spend a disproportionate amount of time doing social media and i admire their commitment, their voice is heard and believed by a wider audience, whereas most of the fan base might have a different view.

[mybloodisclaret]

Whoever she is she does not speak for me, nor does she represent me. If she is so disconnected with this team and club I imagine she won't be going on anymore?

9 months to go from united as one to not connected?

Plastic and fickle. Disappointed yes .......... disconnected no. Definitely not.

[TheFamilyCat]

As long as nobody becomes disenfranchised we'll be OK.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Just read the article and whilst I feel disappointed that one of our “wannabe influencers” has chosen to hang Kompany out to dry in this manner, despite his 12 hour days and last season’s glory, it is a valid opinion and some of the grief on here is a bit harsh.

I did though pose the question over on X as to why Cullen is singled out to be disenfranchised, given that he played in the first 10 games, of which we won just one. He has had a fair chance.

[Vim Fuego]

Just read the article and whilst I feel disappointed that one of our “wannabe influencers” has chosen to hang Kompany out to dry in this manner, despite his 12 hour days and last season’s glory, it is a valid opinion and some of the grief on here is a bit harsh.

I did though pose the question over on X as to why Cullen is singled out to be disenfranchised, given that he played in the first 10 games, of which we won just one. He has had a fair chance.

The only one hung out to dry in this post was Cullen, with the managers tactics

[AlwaysClaret1882]

I mentioned in another thread I don't listen to the Burnley podcasts, apart from the 'From The BeeHole' one, albeit very recently.

I don't care what football fans think. For instance, the opening of the TurfMoorhouse one, which is linked in this thread, opened about one of the guests 'killing it on social media' and sending Palace fans video clips on Instagram... who cares? Maybe it's just imperative to younger fans, that sort of stuff, I dunno.

What I like about From the Beehole Podcast is that they are professional journalists, there is a sense of balance, and the episodes are tight without much waffling.

I am the guest who was “killing it on social media” and was sending a picture to said Palace fans. It was part of a bet that was made on a Palace podcast prior to our match.

Unfortunately social media is a huge thing in this day and age and to get into journalism is a tough thing to do, with social media being one of the ways in. I agree that these podcasts and other fans being involved in the media don’t speak for every fan - we all have opinions and all have our right to share them in anyway we can.

Just wanted to post and say we’re all clarets doing the things we do for the love of our club. I’m going to be starting my own podcast soon to remember the good times we have had supporting Burnley and anyone who would like to come on is welcome to do so

Up The Clarets

[Jimmymaccer]

I'd like to know which buffoon fed back that the Jimmy McIlroy Hospitality is 'amazing.' It has been many things this season but amazing certainly isn't one of them.

A friend of mine went in there for his birthday, along with a few others…………….
Said it was shocking,

[claretonthecoast1882]

Been that way since primary school.

That comes as no shock